Extreme Muay Thai hit the stratosphere when one contestant was carried out on a stretcher while another suffered a broken nose
So why am I calling video this video Extreme Muay Thai when I’ve already done a Double Knockout video from all the first rate action I’ve witnessed from my front row seat at Pattaya Max Stadium? First off in all 7 fights the action was unrelentingly furious. Secondly these 7 fights produced more than the usual amount of copious blood. Third’s the music. My pal, Big Daddy, called the whole scenario here as a disco with a lot of fighting thrown in.
For me Extreme Muay Thai must have better music
With that in mind, I decided to break tradition by stripping all that wining, god awful Thai sound that seems to be de rigour for Muay Thai. So I injected what I’m calling Jack’s special musical brew over the original sound tracks.
You might not like this video’s break from tradition. But that’s just one more reason why I’m calling what you are about to experience Extreme Muay Thai video.
Extreme Muay Thai video is for the high end viewer
I also took this video production to the limit by setting my Nikon at 60 frames a second. And then I outputted the video at 30 frames a second to make it more appealing to audiences whose eyes are accustomed to watch video at 30 frames a second.
I took another series of videos with my new Panasonic Lx10. I shot them in 4 k at a resolution of 3840 x 2160 pixels at 100 megabytes per second. The 4 k results from this camera will be my next you tube video.
Nikon Glass makes all the difference
But that new Nikon 24 by 70 2.8 lens is sheer magic when it’s parred with my Nikon D750 SLR. The new Panasonic LX10 with its 1.4 Leica lens is excellent. But there’s nothing like shooting with very heavy, quite expensive Nikon gear. But this Nikon Lens? The colors that come from it. And the almost 3 D effect. It’s so good and so expensive that I recommend to those who take their photography seriously, to sell the family car, sell the kids and rent out your wife.
The last reason I’m calling this Extreme Muay Thai video, is that I am not keeping the typical internet smart phone user in mind at all. All that resolution and excellent equipment is best experienced when viewed on a 55 inch television for a monitor. And since sound is so important to me, I created it so that it could be best heard on a surround sound system with excellent speakers and a powerful amp.
What happens in a playground ass whipping is simple. In Kovalev Andre Ward II the outcome was just as decisive. On the playground one kid beats hell out of the other. The victor dominates with the loser knowing he just isn’t as tough as his opponent.
Which one is the Alpha Male?
Playground fighting is the same thing that occurs in the animal kingdom. Two male wolves fight for dominance over the pack, and once the issue is decided, there’s no question which wolf is the meanest, strongest animal. Or two bull moose lock horns to determine which male moose is going to be subservient over the other. Whether it’s in the animal kingdom or the playground, there’s no tabulation of points or 6 month rematches. Or penalties imposed for low blows. One male wins, while the other loses.
Which fighter will impose his will on the other?
And so it was in this epic rematch between the two finest boxers in the world. One could already see it during the weigh in. With Kovalev and Andre Ward doing the obligatory stare down. But if you caught the tail end of the stare down, you would have caught Ward shrugging indifferently. Not once, but twice. The body language spoke volumes as if Ward were saying, “okay, lets cut the crap. I’m winning this fight. Kovalev’s mine.” (the subtle shrugs start at 3:31 in the weigh in video below). Ward’s supremely confident here. Now I knew who would win this fight. If you caught it during the weigh in, there would be no room for doubt of the playground ass whipping to come.
The fight started just as Kovalev–Ward 1 had, with Kovalev, the aggressor, throwing out a lot more punches than his opponent. Trouble was, most of them didn’t land, and those that did failed to land with the same authority they did in Kovalev-Ward 1. Early on, Ward, demonstrated a dazzling arsenal of defensive boxing skills of slipping and ducking punches. This display of awesome talent no doubt convinced Kovalev that Ward was 100 percent certain that there was no way the Russian could hurt him.
A playground ass whipping means total physical and mental domination over one’s opponent
Next came step II in Ward’s game plan of psychological dominance. Which was, “I ‘m now going to show you something that you totally never suspected”. Although he didn’t throw many, the punches to Kovalev’s head showed a snappiness and force that Kovalev had never seen before. And that he never suspected to exist. With only a 50 % knockout percentage, Ward’s never been known to have a knockout punch. Until now. The replays on you tube show Ward snapping Kovalev’s head back as the surprise registered in his Kovalev’s eyes and the Russian could feel the pain.
I never knew that Ward can really punch
For the first time, Kovalev must have suddenly realized, “This man can really punch. I can easily be knocked out by this man. I need to be very careful from now on.”
Kovalev already knew about step III in Ward’s game plan expecting Ward to impose his inside game of clinching, holding and body punching. But Kovalev was ready for that. He had learned Ward’s inside tactics well from Kovalev Andre Ward I. What he did not expect this time was for Ward to be able to deliver so many hard effective body punches. He expected Ward to be intimidated by his own powerful offense which he would continually slow down by holding and clinching to nullify the Russian’s powerful punches. Instead the American turned an inside game that had been mostly defensive into a very dangerous offensive weapon.
Fighting Dirty???? Nope. I am only fighting to win
Throughout the fight, Ward would deliver one excruciating blow after the other into Kovalev’s midsection.. In my opinion, Kovalev already expected a lot of effective body punching from Ward so he decided to impose his own mind game upon Ward. I thought Kovalev was wearing his shorts substantially higher than they normally would have been worn. In my opinion Kovalev had been hoping that the Ward would be thinking that he was delivering below the belt low blows and that the referee would severely penalize Ward for being a dirty fighter. I think that at the very least Kovalev was hoping that this would discourage Ward from relying on his excellent body punching skills. And if the referee should disqualify Ward, so much the better.
The Russian’s strategy backfires
Unfortunately for Kovalev this did not work. To me, it seemed obvious that Ward was onto this trick, and that he decided to turn it against the Russian. Instead of tentatively punching Kovalev to the body out of fear of what the ref might do to him, Ward, went at Kovalev with reckless abandon. Throughout the fight Kovalev kept looking back at the referee to get him to do something about all those illegal dirty punches to the groin. And the referee, who was equally aware as Ward, to Kovalev’s strategy, kept ignoring the body blows, some of which might actually be considered as questionable.
But as the fight continued into the later rounds, Ward started to exhibit an ever increasing display of dazzling boxing skills that must have convinced Kovalev, I’m very fast, I have a great jab, I’m a terrific puncher and I have great boxing skills, but all of this, I cannot begin to match.” Ward continued to duck punches and to slip those that he didn’t duck. But when Kovalev did connect, Ward would hardly flinch at all, as if to say, “Is that all you got?” And then he’d snap Kovalev’s head back or deliver a punishing “low blow’ that might seem to cause Kovalev to crumple up in pain. But was Kovalev really only acting while trying to get the attention of the referee?
Kovalev finally faces the Inevitable
But it really didn’t matter. Either way, Kovalev was getting hurt. And if some of Ward’s body punches actually were illegal low blows, by then Ward had convinced Kovalev that there was nothing he could do about it. And by this time I could see that the Russian was becoming very frustrated by his own powerlessness.
Let’s recap all that I and others have said here. Here’s the entire fight.
The playground ass whipping is sealed and delivered in the 8th round. And to ANYONE who’s suggesting that Ward won because he’s a dirty fighter, I say, bullshit.
But to be certain, I downloaded the full fight from You tube. Then I imported it into my video editing program, and ran key portions of it at 10 percent of the normal speed. Especially the 7th and 8th rounds.
How Ward dominated Kovalev
At 6:24 in the video, Ward clinches while picking Kovalev up off his feet, demonstrating, “I am stronger than you.”
8:00 into the video, it is evident to the crowd that Ward is giving Kovalev a boxing lesson which starts the crowd crowd chanting, “SOG, SOG, SOG (Son of God which Ward has embroidered into his shorts)
At 10:51 Ward delivers a body punch above Kovalev’s beltline. Kovalev goes into a big song and dance protest hoping the referee will penalize Ward. The crowd boos.
At 13:30 the crowd is enchanted with Ward’s incredible display of boxing talent as it cries out “Ali, Ali, Ali”.
At 14 minutes into the fight (on the you tube video) I’ve linked to, Kovalev is strong, but Ward’s snapping his punches with a force and speed Kovalev’s not seen before. This has to be a nasty surprise from a man Kovalev believed lacked punching power.
At 17:00 Ward motions to the referee that Kovalev has been rabbit punching him to the head. The video shows 3 rabbit punches inside one minute. So much for all the protesting from Kovalev partisans and camp about “Ward’s Illegal low blows”.
By 19 minutes into this video, it’s pretty evident that Kovalev is not t going to be able to put Ward away unless he gets extremely lucky.
Ward takes control
At this point the scorecard is pretty even. Kovalev is throwing more punches but Ward is displaying an awesome tool kit that’s thwarting Kovalev’s offense at every turn. Ward is also throwing the stronger blows. It is evident to me that Ward will soon take complete control of this fight.
At 26:30 Kovalev turns his back on Ward. (a complete no no in boxing)
At 28:21 Ward goes to Kovalev’s body twice. Then he rabbit hits the Russian to the back of the head.
At 30 minutes into the video Ward clinches and pulls Kovalev around. Disorientated, Kovalev turns his back on Ward while shielding his head from further attack. His body language is of man who’s temporarily frightened and cowed.
By 30:30 Kovalev is looking tired, dizzy, and rattled from Ward’s offense.
By 30:52 into the 8th round Ward’s delivering a series of body punches (not to the testicles from my vantage point). None of the punches appear all that hard yet Kovalev’s cowering down. A look of pure disgust registers in Ward’s face. In my opinion Kovalev’s trying to get the referee to judge against Ward.
Andre Ward proves he’s a terrific finisher
31 minutes into the video, Andre Ward’s eyes become those of a killer predator. At 10 percent speed, the video shows that Ward is 100 percent focused on utterly destroying his opponent.
At 31:30, the American pummels Kovalev with body shots. There is no fight left in Kovalev
At 31:45 Ward’s hitting Kovalev at will.
At 30:55 Ward punches Kovalev solidly to the midsection. Then he rabbit punches him and follows up with another left to the midsection
At 31:32 Ward hits Kovalev with a devastating punch to the head.
By 31:35 Ward’s taken total control of the fight. At this point Kovalev can do virtually nothing against the American.
By 32:02 Ward’s hitting Kovalev with three devastating body punches. Kovalev’s almost on his knees now. He won’t, or can’t defend himself. The referee calls the fight a TKO for Ward.
Back to my playground ass whipping Analogy
In my own memory as a 12 year old, a much stronger boy who was 2 years older than I is pummeling me to the ground. There was no way I can beat this other kid. I end up going home with two black eyes. But most of the time I won, from the time I was six until I was fifty. There was none of this, “Let’s fight again so I have a chance to beat you up when we meet again.” You either had the other guy or he had you.
Sergei Kovalev finally gets his playground ass whipping
And so it was with Kovalev vs Ward. Kovalev was the bull, being larger and stronger. While Ward was the matador being completely aware of his total superiority over his opponent. With fifty seconds left in the 8th round, Kovalev knew that by then he had no chance whatsoever. The matador had his sword that amounted to a fantastic repertoire of both defensive and offensive weapons. By then, Ward had imposed both psychological and physical dominance over Kovalev. Ward would knock him out, if not this round, certainly the next.
Two magnificent fighters but only 1 is to be the best of the best
Kovalev is clearly a magnificent fighter. Unfortunately, Andre Ward is an incredibly talented fighter without weaknesses. Andre Ward Kovalev II proves to be a virtuoso performance from a man who doesn’t make mistakes. By the time Ward finally brings him to his knees , there is no longer any fight in Kovalev. The final scene reminds me of a fighting bull waiting for the final thrust of the sword. Kovalev, is facing the finality of ignominious defeat. Like the kid being pummeled to the ground on the playground, there is no escaping the final outcome. One of these two great fighters had to lose. While Andre Ward had finally emerged to become the undisputed champion of champions, and the el primo alpha of all alphas.
I’m shooting fight video while Big Daddy and I are sitting ringside at the Max Muaythai Pattaya Stadium watching 7 fights.
I’m concentrating on getting the video with my Nikon D750. Who’s winning? Where the prettiest girls are sitting? Which fighter is tiring the most? Big Daddy is fully aware of what’s going on. while I’m lost trying to get everything right with my camera.
The Nikon D750 is capable of shooting fight video of 4 k at 24 million pixels.
My lenses are the best that money can buy. But the camera is very complicated. There’s an entire 500 page book on how to focus the Nikon D750. I t’s that complex. Which is why I’ve been practicing shooting low light video for over two months now. Usually in the confines of my condo with the lights turned off. So what’s going to give me the best results tonight?
Shooting fight video is easy for the professionals with the Fight Channel
Shooting fight video is a real challenge. And there’s no way that I can compete against what’s already being done here at Max Muaythai Pattaya stadium. There’s a robotic video camera circling over the ring that has a completely unobstructed view of the ring. It can zoom right over the heads of the fighters. And it can veer far away for a perfect bird’s eye view. There’s also two or three videographers who specialize in professional videography. They use heavy specialized movie cameras that are built for one purpose only. This being shooting movie quality video to be shown on international television. The fights they are videoing tonight are being shown across the world on the Fight Channel. There’s no way I can compete against those guys. As for that terribly expensive overhead robotic camera. There’s just no way.
But what I can do is, I can take you to the heart of the action the way the Fight Channel will never do. The sound is so loud here that the floors shake. The decibel level is so high that the distortion’s almost unbearable. To reproduce all that audible mayhem on the Fight Channel would be horrific bad taste. But try and tell that to the fans here. The speakers might be distorting as the stadium’s floor creates a mini earthquake. But it’s all pretty exciting.
There’s a huge movie screen way off to my left. This screen reproduces whatever the production managers want to show their live audience. The profiles of each fighter as he’s being introduced by the M.C. are displayed here. These include the weight and height and record of each fighter. As to be expected so is selected video footage of the actual fights. Sometimes the footage is in slow motion whenever a knockdown occurs. Then there’s all the pretty girls up in the stands. Especially the Chinese and Thai women showing off for the video cameras as they dance to the music.
Most of the books on video technique will tell you that real videographers shoot in manual only. But if I try that, there’s no way that I can manually focus as fast as these fighters move. One moment the two fighters are just ten feet in front of me. Two seconds later they are thirty feet away. I cannot change the focus fast enough because my eyes are not up to this kind of challenge. Perhaps if I change my f-stop to f-10, I can get enough depth of field to keep the fighters in focus. But I know I’m too close to try that.
I cannot manually focus accurately and fast enough to change my target from the two fighters in the ring to a very sexy girl way up in the stands dancing for the Max Muaythai t.v. cameras. So I must go with automatic focusing. But which mode should I use? And at what speed or aperture setting?
Program mode is no good for shooting fight video.
And shooting with my Nikon 24-70 mm lens at 2.8 provides hardly any depth of field. I’m not doing very well at 2.8 which is what this lens excels at. But not when I’m shooting two fast moving fighters who are all over the ring.
instead of single server mode to that the Nikon could use all 51 focus points. But that didn’t work very well either. The problem was the camera would oftentimes focus in on the ropes instead of the fighters who oftentimes were twenty feet away from my focus point. The robotic camera circling overhead did not have this problem.
At first I set my focusing for a 4 point group focus mode. Theoretically this should work. I could set the little rectangle of 4 points between the ropes to zero in on the fighters instead of the English announcers sitting right in front of us. Would this work? I wouldn’t know until I processed my video the next day. So I shot a couple fights in group focus mode. Then I shot a couple more fights using automatic continuous focus mode using 24 focus points in a narrow horizontal pattern. Theoretically this might work just as well because I could zero the horizonal rectangle so that none of the 24 focus points rested on the ropes or the English ring announcers sitting in front of me.
What aperture should I be using for shooting fight video ?
I tried shooting at F-7, then F-10 aperture to get good depth of field in case the camera was not up to focusing fast enough to keep up with the two fighters. But it seemed to me that I might be getting my best overall results shooting at around an F5 aperture which should let in plenty of light while still giving me a reasonable dept of field in case my focusing was sightly off.
But I also wanted to get a lot of digital stills. This meant going from live view to viewfinder mode. Trouble was, and I found this out too late. Shooting in automatic 24 point mode I ended up focusing on nearby objects instead of the fighters. Not always but often enough. I was also shooting in aperture mode so my shutter speed was oftentimes not quite fast enough to stop the action. The obvious answer to this problem was to start shooting in speed mode at 1/500th or even 1/1000th of a second.
So here I was, going from live view aperture priority mode at f5 while doing video to shutter priority mode and also having the change my focus mode. That’s a lot of fast changing adjustments to be making for shooting fight video
Now if I was really serious about shooting fight video, I’d be buying myself another Nikon D750 body
which I could set up for video while I kept the other camera body adjusted for shooting digital stills at say 1/1000th of a second. But no one’s paying me to do this. And no matter what I do I will never be able to compete with that robotic overhead movie camera let alone two or three video guys all covering for each other. There’s just no way I can shoot video at the same time I’m shooting digital stills.
Shooting fight video of these seven fights ended up being a real mish mash of modes and techniques. But I’m still nowhere close to where I want to end up doing. One of my best friends keeps telling me that I need to go mirror less which will have a lot fewer focusing issues. Shooting full auto with my Panasonic LX7 and its leica lens is like shooting fish in a barrel. But I have some terrific lenses for my Nikon D750. There’s nothing like what I can get with these lenses if I have everything dialed in just right.
We saw the Tunisian whirlwind Fadi Khaled, put on one of the most exciting Muay Thai performances ever, from ringside, at Pattaya Max Muay Thai Stadium.
An hour later, I would be videoing the unforgettable Jonathan Lecat Dorian Price double knockout, a fight that’s destined to become one of the most memorable classics of all time.
You’d expect the preliminary bout between Fadi Khaled and Nueamek Sityaymeaw to fade away into the obscure dustbins of ring forgetathons. How could I even think about putting the two videos up side by side on you tube? Am I out of my mind?
I’ve thought about that before. Many times. I am out of my mind. No, I’m not. Although both Khaled and Nueamek have far less than perfect records as Muay Thai boxers, this was in its own right a classic fight.
I had never seen either boxer fight before. But here I’m coining a new nickname, a moniker that should live on as the Tunisian whirlwind Fadi Khaled to extol the Tunisian whirlwind as a fighting man’s fighter. And because I think Fadi embodies even more than what Muay Thai boxing is all about. For me Fadi represents the true spirit of mano a mano fighting the same way Harry Greb did nearly 100 years ago.
Harry Greb the Pittsburgh Whirlwind
Enshrined for nearly a century as the Pittsburgh whirlwind in boxing legend, Harry Greb was perhaps the greatest middleweight of all time. This is saying a lot due to so many outstanding Middleweights who one could easily call, the greatest Middleweight in the history of the ring. Men like Sugar Ray Robinson, Sugar Ray Leonard, and the most devastating Middleweight puncher of all time, Gennadi Golovkin. And yet there’s not a single film of Harry Greb’s epic fights. He once beat the unbeatable future Heavy weight champion, Gene Tunney in a historic bloodbath that began a series of epic encounters between the two finest boxing tacticians the ring had ever seen.
But Greb was a true Middleweight, whose normal weight stood at around 160 pounds. Whereas Tunney wound up as the undefeated heavyweight champion of the world at 190. As for Jack Dempsey who was quite possibly the hardest puncher of all time, some have said that Tunney could never beat the Manassas Mauler in his prime. Others have claimed that Tunney was so good that Jack Dempsey could never have beat him.
We will never know the answer of whether a much younger Jack Dempsey could have defeated Tunney or not.
It is well known, however, that Greb totally dominated Dempsey as Dempsey’s sparring partner. Even though Dempsey outweighed the five foot eight Greb by 30 pounds, several times the pair almost met in the ring.
Greb would wind up fighting 298 professional fights, yet not one of them survives today on video.
A Boxing Legend for all time
Greb remains today as one of boxing legend’s most unforgettable mystery men of all time. His untimely death at 32 on the operating table when he failed to wake up from the anesthetic hasn’t hurt his enigmatic image. But although the movie cameras never captured him in a real fight, there still exists at least one video of him training.
Back to the Tunisian whirlwind Fadi Khaled
Which bring us to Fadi Khaled. Here you see him in training in Thailand.
At 140 pounds Khaled punches and kicks above his weight. But unlike Harry Greb, we have Khaled actually fighting in the ring.
The Tunisian whirlwind Fadi Khaled is all over his opponent
In this bout against Nueamek Sityaymeaw the Tunisian whirlwind Fadi Khaled demonstrates a full range of devastating martial arts weapons, including a full array of powerful kicks along with the punching power of a light heavy weight. Keep in mind that this little guy weighs just 140 pounds while light heavyweights are between 168 and 175 pounds. Notice too, how he flings his entire torso into the body of his opponent.
Big Daddy sitting next to me, put it this way, “I really don’t like the looks of him, but you gotta give him credit. He’s a very good fighter.”
I’ll give him more than that. This Tunisian whirlwind Fadi Khaled represents what true fighting is all about. I’m sure Harry Greb would concur.
If you are interested in learning more about Harry Greb check this out.
Big Daddy and I are ringside for the epic Jonathan Lecat Dorian Price double knockout at the Pattaya Max Muay Thai stadium when the unfathomable happens.
Both of us being American, we favor the American fighter, Dorian Price over the Frenchman. My pal, Big Daddy, who had once been a professional wrestler on international t.v. wasn’t missing a moment of this unforgettable classic. Whereas I was missing just about everything. I was too overwhelmed with shooting the video with my Nikon D750 trying to get everything just right. I had the perfect lens for this event.
The Jonathan Lecat Dorian Price double knockout makes international headlines
This fight, this stadium, this one of a kind epic, is big stuff. It just made U.S. Today. And to think that I only have to drive 20 minutes on my motorcycle to cover these great fights. Ironically, I just bought a new lens for my Nikon D750, a Nikon 2.8 24-70 mm that costs as much as my latest motorcycle. The pictures this lens and camera can get are unworldly. They are that good. And the primary reason for getting it was to get an edge covering these fights. Two weeks later, a one in a million chance occurs–the Jonathan Lecat Dorian Price double knockout
I was so involved with my camera work that I didn’t even know that Lecat was winning until the Dorian Price double knockout occurred.
Shooting video, especially in low light, is extremely challenging. For days on end I’ve been practicing, and I have yet to get the results I should be getting. But tonight I think I hit the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. But I still never got to see the fight until I started editing my video. I was that preoccupied. As far as I had been concerned I had videoed the two fighters tripping each other up. Then both had gone down together in a heap with neither fighter taking a major punch.
I take picture taking and doing video that seriously. And since Dorian Price ended up winning I had thought him to be the dominant fighter. Only later while editing my video, did I realize that Jonathon Lecat had been beating the hell out of Dorian when the once in a million double knockdown occurred. A hundred years from now, this fight will be forever immortalized as the Jonathan Lecat Dorian Price double knockout.
I had seen the two fighters go down. About 30 seconds later, the American was able to rise to his feet while the Frenchman remained comatose, dead to the world. “In all my years following wrestling and boxing I’ve never seen this before,” Big Daddy, screamed at me. “I have never ever seen a double knockdown.”
Big Daddy was an international televised professional wrestler
Well, Big Daddy might have been one of the Assassins appearing on television as a professional wrestler, but I had always been a boxer. And I didn’t have the slightest idea of what Big Daddy meant by a double knockout. The concept was impossible for me to grasp. The whole idea of Muhammed Ali and George Foreman knocking each other out in a single second or two was unimaginable. But here it was, the Jonathan Lecat Dorian Price double knockout preserved for eternity in my video.
While I was a wanna be college boxing idol
And although I never fought professionally, I had been in more fights than I could count while growing up. Although I had been in several street fights as an adult, I wasn’t really into street fights. But I sure loved putting the gloves on to box strictly for fun. Boxing was my sport. Always had been and always will. In my fifties I kept a platform bag setup and heavy bag in my private gym that I had created from a one car garage. In college I was the best boxer in my dormitory which selected me to fight the best boxer from another dormitory. That wasn’t much of a fight. The gloves were huge and well padded so neither of us were very successful at getting through the other boxer’s guard. But it wasn’t long after that that I had a very short lived time of glory.
Jack Corbett, promising university Middleweight makes the front page of the Chicago Tribune
I was in the dormitory study room, when a couple of my dorm mates brought in a copy of the Chicago tribune. There I was on the front sports page of the Chicago Tribune. The newspaper had devoted an entire paragraph about me, extolling me as an exciting middleweight boxer from Lawrence University in Appleton, Wisconsin. “This would be one of the most exciting Golden Gloves tournaments in Chicago’s History”, the Tribune had printed. And it was because of exciting young boxers like me, a college boy, who’d soon be fighting in a sport that was devoid of College men.
But it was all a big joke–on me
I was foolish enough to go along with it all. Most of the guys in my dorm got very excited about one of their own fighting for the glory of Lawrence University in the Chicago Golden Gloves. Suddenly there was a lot of talk about hiring a tour bus to take everyone down to Chicago to watch me tantalize the Chicago crowds with my blazing speed. It turned out that one of the Freshmen in my class, Scott Lewis, had gotten an application for the Golden Gloves and had signed me up as a joke.
I would have done it. And my classmates were just crazy enough to get up enough money for a tour bus. Then one of the Lawrence wrestlers got a hold of me in the gym while I was suiting up for a Cross Country team practice run.
Jerry Nightingale star Lawrence University wrestler saves me from myself
I still remember exactly how he looked at me and his exact position as he explained the facts of life. Jerry Nightingale was a black guy from Chicago. He was a welterweight, weighing 145 pounds or so, which was about 15 pounds less than me. Jerry was extremely quick and agile. Which is why he had won most of his matches. Not only was Jerry a very good wrestler, he was also the epitome of cool.
They are going to kill you in Chicago if you compete in the Golden Gloves
“You go down to Chicago and they are going to kill you,” Jerry warned.
“Why do you think that?” I asked. “I’m fast. And I’ve got an excellent punch. I think I have a good chance of winning the first round or two in the elimination.”
“These guys in the Golden Gloves are from the ghetto. They’re poor. Most of them are uneducated. The only way out for many of them is fighting. They will really hurt you if you go in the ring with them,”
Jerry Nightingale becomes my Guardian Angel
I sure as hell respected Jerry Nightingale. He was a fine athlete. He had a good head on his shoulders and he was a good guy. Although I really enjoyed boxing, and was faster than nearly everyone else, the prospect of fighting even faster guys who would relish cutting my face to ribbons wasn’t appealing. I immediately banished the thought of tour buses and of being the school idol out of my game plan.
For me, boxing is still the king of all sports
Now I’m an old guy. But I’m still running 12 kilometers in the sweltering heat along Pattaya Beach. I can do it, but I’m exhausted by the time I finish.
But God, I sure love boxing. Even if I’m not doing it anymore. I’m an avid fan of top boxers like Andre Ward, Sergei Kovalev, and Gennadi Golotkin. I can hardly wait for the Andre Ward Kovalev rematch. I’ve got a few Russian friends now, not to mention a few other Russians I don’t know who I run into at the Centara Hotel physical fitness center. Russians take exercise seriously. Or at least a sizable percentage of them do. That’s why the Soviet Union usually won more gold medals than the U.S. did in the Olympic.
There was more to it than those Communists boarding their best athletes like cattle in modern gulag training camps where they fed them steroids every day. Russians are tough and they pride themselves on their athletic ability. I think they always were this way. Which is one of the reasons they could defeat the U.S. in the Olympics during the bad old days of the U.S.S.R. There were also more Soviets than Americans to choose from to field all those Olympic teams. Since the breakup of the U.S.S.R. Russia now has a population of only 140 million compared to 325 million Americans. But I do like having the Russians around because they take fitness as seriously as I do.
Big Daddy and I are still fighters in our hearts
So here we are, Big Daddy and I, among all our friends who really enjoy fighting. We are at the right spot to experience first hand that one in a million fight when both boxers go down for the count in this Jonathan Lecat Dorian Price double knockout classic for the ages. We have already seen another top notch fight between the Tunisian Fadi Khaled and Nueamek Sitjaymeaw of Thailand.
Living here in Thailand I get to experience first hand what the Fight Channel broadcasts on international television. My condo’s only 20 minutes from the new Pattaya Max stadium. It is no secret that many Muay Thai top events come out of Bangkok. But I’ve just learned that the Pattaya Max Muay Thai stadium is handling just as many top ranked fights. This stadium has a seating capacity of nearly 3000. The men in front of us are doing the international English television broadcasts that are seen worldwide.
But back to the Jonathan Lecat Dorian Price double knockout. Dorian Price won the fight. Barely. But when they meet again, I’m betting on the Frenchman. It promises to be a great fight. But it’s going to take years for anything to measure up to this Jonathan Lechat Dorian Price double knockout classic.
I shot this Nikon D750 Thai boxing video at the Max Muay Thai Stadium Pattaya using a Nikon 28 by 70 2.8 lens. This is the same lens I used shooting digital stills of strippers and feature entertainers with a Nikon D-1 X.
The Nikon D750 has awesome video potential
Weighing in at a full 2.2 pounds on that professional Nikon SLR with a powerful flash–this was a lot of weight to be carrying around on one’s neck all night long. So I understand how the Nikon 28 by 70 2.8 lens earned its nickname, “The Beast”. The lens was also very expensive. But I noticed that this lens almost produced a three dimensional effect that lesser lenses were incapable of achieving.
My new Nikon D750 camera is an awesome piece of equipment. Its resolution is four times greater than my old Nikon D1x. Although it can function as a point and shoot, it has so many features that it would take me a lifetime to master them. My main problem was that I could never shoot decent video with it. Yet this camera had outstanding video capabilities according to all the photography reviews I had read. I just couldn’t get it to change its focus when I went from short range to long range subjects. But my little Panasonic LX-7 with its superb Leica lens came through every time.
But so far shooting video with it has ended in abject failure
All my video experiments with the Nikon D750 wound up in failure. Then I found a one and a half minute video on you tube that pointed out a very important step I had never taken. Suddenly all my focusing problems seemed to go away. And tonight I was going with Big Daddy to the Max Muay Thai Pattaya Stadium. There would be sufficient light at the stadium for accurate focusing of the camera. While in the ring there would be a lot of fast moving action to challenge the camera’s focusing ability in video mode.
The Nikon D750 Thai boxing video vindicates the camera’s potential
For the first time my Nikon D750’s video performed up to expectations. The Thai boxers were all over the ring, moving from its opposite side to only a few feet away from me. Big Daddy and I had first row seats. Being so close to the fighters did pose two challenges, however. There was a post right in front of me, which would obscure my subjects from my camera whenever they moved behind it. The second challenge was the ring’s ropes. I’m sure that my camera was constantly focusing on the ropes instead of the fighters. I could at least edit out those portions of the video that had the two fighters going at each other behind the post. But there was no way getting around having to shoot between the ropes that formed the perimeter of the ring. The camera would often tend to focus on the nearest object.
Overall, I think the results were outstanding. The twin stereo speakers in the Nikon D750 reproduces very strong audio bass. I think that the series of 20 odd digital stills at the end of the video show that there is really nothing like a good SLR camera when it comes to zeroing in on the action. Nikon D750 Thai boxing
The Andre Ward Sergei Kovalev fight was a draw, the way I see it. But after losing the decision by just 1 point, Kovalev, cried foul. “I’ll beat Ward’s ass in the rematch,” he vowed.
After it was over, most commentators, felt that Kovalev had won, and since the fight had been held in Las Vegas, the judges were biased for their fellow American. I say forget the bias be it Russian bias for the Russian fighter had this fight been held in Russia or for the American. Make me the judge. I always thought that Ward would win, but sentimentally I favored the Russian.
So why would I root for Kovalev over Ward?
I like both men, and I really didn’t want either man to lose. I’m not anti black and I’m not anti Russian. I live here in Thailand in a 62 unit condo where I’m the chairmen over a 5 man committee that runs our building. 5 of them have Russian owners. About one month before the Andre Ward, Sergei Kovalev fight, while I was drinking at our favorite beach restaurant with several of my Russian friends, I asked the Russians which fighter they wanted to win.
After a few Guiness Stouts I told the Russians what my brain and my heart were telling me. “I like both men,” I told the Russians and I hate to see either one lose because both of them deserve to win. But I prefer Kovalev’s style. Andre Ward is boring by comparison. Kovalev comes right at his opponent. His record is 30-0-1 with 27 of his 30 wins by knockout. “But I believe Andre Ward will win and when he does, I will really be sad.”
After the Andre Ward Sergei Kovalev fight was over, I read that
Kovalev had finally proved that he was an excellent boxer.
But I knew that already after watching a number of Kovalev’s fights on you tube. I had also learned from watching his fights on you tube that Kovalev was very smart. I also enjoyed listening to Kovalev being interviewed on you tube finding him to be honest, to the point and very incisive. But as fast as he is, ring savvy, and his commanding power, I just didn’t think he would win against Ward, who I believed was slightly faster and nearly incapable of making mistakes.
I expected Ward to win by decision. And although Ward is not known for his knockout ability I would not have been surprised if Ward knocked Kovalev out. What I didn’t expect was for the Andre Ward Sergei Kovalev fight to be so close.
Living in Pattaya, Thailand, I couldn’t find a way to actually watch the fight on television.
I would gladly have paid the Sixty dollar pay per view that HBO was charging. But I was not a subscriber to HBO. I couldn’t find any bars advertising the fight. And I got the date wrong. Thinking that the fight was on November 27th, I’d purposely avoid news coverage of the fight until a couple days after the fight. That way I could view it on you tube without knowing the final outcome.
But suppose that Kovalev or Ward had injured himself in training and the fight had been postponed. I had to know. So I googled Andre Ward vs Sergei Kovalev. The first results I saw had Kovalev defeating Ward. Not by knockout but by decision. This I found to be odd because I even though I felt Kovalev was underrated as a boxer, I felt there was no way Kovalev could win a decision over Andre Ward who was an even better boxer.
I went directly to the fight on you tube.
When Kovalev floored Ward in the 2nd round I believed that there would be no way that Ward could survive past the 4th round. But he did, and the fight went to the 5th, then the 6th round. Then the 7th and the 8th. By this time I truly felt that Kovalev had established beyond any doubt that he was Andre Ward’s master. But Ward was hanging in there. For the first few rounds Kovalev dominated the fight. But by the time the fight had gone past the sixth round I could not see either fighter dominating the other.
It was proving to be a good fight after all. By the middle of the fight Kovalev was well ahead in points but I could also see that Ward was slowly closing the gap. In the closing rounds it also seemed to me that Kovalev was weakening whereas Ward was getting stronger and landing far more punches.
But remember. I already knew that Kovalev had won the fight. So I now imagined myself as the only judge. Okay, Kovalev is the champion while Ward’s the challenger. I had learned from my study of boxing that a challenger had to clearly take the title away from the champion before he could be crowned as the new champion. This meant by knockout, tko or by demonstrating convincingly that he had clearly dominated the fight.
Certainly Ward could not be awarded the decision by proving himself to be dominant.
But neither could Kovalev had Ward been the champion and Kovalev were the challenger. Based on this criteria neither man would have dethroned the champion. In the end the two men had proven to be an even match.
Then another idea crossed my mind. Back in the old days of boxing, in the bare knuckle days of John L. Sullivan, fights often went well past the 20th round. And it was the 26th round of a scheduled 45 round fight that Jack Johnson finally lost the heavyweight title to Jess Willard in the hot Cuban sun. Had the fight gone just 12 or 15 rounds, Johnson would have probably kept the championship belt by decision. But by the 20th round he was showing signs of past his prime tiring.
As Ward was steadily closing the point gap, there was little doubt that he’d win the decision if the Andre Ward Sergei Kovalev fight were to go a full 15 rounds instead of the scheduled 12 rounds. Kovalev could no longer match Ward’s speed. He was also losing the ability to connect with his punches. I had also noticed that Ward had snapped Kovalev’s head back several times in the latter rounds. If the fight were to go on long enough, Ward would clearly be the dominant fighter by a mile.
The way I see it,
the decision in the Andre Ward Sergei Kovalev fight could have gone either way.
But to contend that Kovalev had been robbed is utter fallacy. If there is to be a rematch, I’ll be betting on Ward.
Big Bad Sonny Liston would go down as the unwanted champion of the mob and #1 ogre of the ring. I hated him. But now I wish I had been nice to him. But how could I have ever hated a man I had never met?
In a way I did meet him. That was on June 6, 1958, and I was 11 years old that night Big Bad Sonny Liston glowered over me. That was the night Virgil Atkins knocked out Victor Martinez for the Welterweight boxing title at Kiel Auditorium . My step grandfather had been teaching me how box since I was 10. So I had a year of practice trying to spin a speed bag with my elbows before he took me to St. Louis to watch the title fight. Atkins was a hometown boy from St. Louis. Since Grandpa Timmerman and I were both living just 40 miles from St. Louis and Kiel Auditorium was hosting professional fights in those days, my seventy year old mentor had decided he just had to take me to the Atkins–Martinez fight.
Big Bad Sonny Liston scared me to death
Sitting directly behind me was a big black man. The man did not smile. He had no friends near him. It took just one look from his impassive eyes to scare the hell out of me. Grandpa soon explained that the big monster sitting just three feet behind me was none other than Big Bad Sonny Liston. “He will be the next heavyweight champion of the world,” Grandpa told me.
Eldridge Clever’s Field Niggers and House Niggers
Back in those days to my unschooled eleven year old brain there were two kinds of black men in the U.S. There were the bad guy black men who Eldridge Clever would call field niggers in his masterpiece, “Soul on Ice” and there were the house niggers. To some Eldridge Clever was akin to a terrorist. But so was Malcom X and it was Malcom X who first started the field nigger house nigger comparisons. Later I’d love them both–Eldridge Clever and Malcom X.
However, my new attitude would not come until much later when I got into my twenties and started having a few black friends. But when I was 11 there were only two kinds of blacks. The polite ones who knew their place and the rebellious blacks, who didn’t. In other words–field niggers. And Big Bad Sonny Liston was most definitely the most terrifying field nigger of them all.
That night when Atkins knocked out Victor Martinez, Liston nearly knocked me down as he got up to leave Kiel in a big hurry. Anyway, it seemed to me that he almost knocked me down. But that was my simpleton 11 year old mind telling me that. Much later on I’d learn to truly appreciate men like Eldridge Clever and Malcom X.
Only a few months later Virgil Atkins would lose his welterweight title to Don Jordan as I watched the whole sorry episode on television. Compared to Liston, Atkins was pretty clean cut. I’d start to explore the singularities between the two boxers only one week ago. But I’ll get into such similarities later.
Floyd Patterson was a much more acceptable black man than Big Bad Sonny Liston
But in 1962, it would be Floyd Patterson (who a lot of Eldridge Clever types would call an Uncle Tom black man) and Big Bad Sonny Liston, who later Muhammad Ali would call “the Big Ugly Bear”. To me, Floyd Patterson was an acceptable black man. Floyd Patterson was polite and as heavyweight champions go, small, weighing just 190 pounds. He was essentially a slightly beefed up light heavyweight. Patterson had been good enough to knock out the legendary Archie Moore who is oftentimes called the greatest light heavyweight of all time, and he had beaten several other good fighters. But a true heavyweight he wasn’t.
But Big Bad Sonny Liston was. And whereas Floyd Patterson was often accused of ducking the best heavyweights to preserve his heavyweight crown, Liston took them all on. There was no way Patterson could beat Liston Grandpa Timmerman kept telling me.
Back then Liston had just about the longest reach in boxing. He had the biggest fists on record. At his prime fighting weight he fought at around 215 so right there he had 25 pounds over Patterson.
He got his initial boxing training at the Missouri State Penitentiary, after becoming infamous throughout St Louis as a hoodlum who was much hated by the police.
Henry Cooper, the British champion, said he would be interested in a title fight if Clay won, but he was not going to get in the ring with Liston. Cooper’s manager, Jim Wicks, said, “We don’t even want to meet Liston walking down the same street.” (Wikipedia Muhammad Ali vs Sonny Liston)
Big Bad Sonny Liston could just look at a man and make him feel 2 feet tall
Boxing promoter Harold Conrad said, “People talked about [Mike] Tyson before he got beat, but Liston was more ferocious, more indestructible….When Sonny gave you the evil eye—I don’t care who you were—you shrunk to two feet tall. (Wikipedia Muhammad Ali vs Sonny Liston)
Which is exactly how I felt that night I was 11 years old and met Liston. Liston was Count Dracula, the man eating Anaconda, and the Terminator all rolled into one. Nothing could stop him, Grandfather Timmerman kept telling me. By the time Sonny knocked Floyd Patterson out in the first round and knocked out Patterson a second time in the first round of the rematch I knew that my grandfather was right.
And then along came Clay
But a new heavyweight rapidly came onto the boxing scene. The new man taking the limelight was Cassius Clay, a gifted, tremendously fast loudmouth known as the Louisville Lip. Patterson had proven to be hopelessly outclassed by the unstoppable Big Bad Sonny Liston human wrecking machine. But at a mere 190 pounds he just wasn’t big enough to have a fighting chance against one of the heaviest punchers the ring had ever known. And Liston wasn’t too slow either, having one of the best jabs in the fight game. But Clay was three inches taller than Patterson, who at six foot three was even taller than Liston. At his prime Clay fought at 210 which was within 5 pounds of Liston’s best fighting weight.
Hardly anyone thought Clay had a chance. The odds makers pitted him as a 7 to 1 underdog. What the world didn’t know back then was that Clay had an iron jaw, unequaled courage, an unquenchable desire to win, and the fastest hand speed the heavyweight division had ever seen.
Big Bad Sonny Liston was owned by the mob
But Liston had been a hoodlum. He had been owned by the mob. This is something he had in common with the other homegrown St. Louis boxer, Virgil Atkins. Was he still owned by the mob? He had reputedly been owned by the worse names in organized crime. Men such as Frank Carbo of Murder Incorporated for example.
Clay won the fight with Liston mysteriously quitting after the sixth round. Liston claimed he had injured his shoulder in the first round and that by the end of the sixth round he could no longer fight. Also…a couple of rounds earlier something got into Clay’s eyes. It is said that Liston’s ring handlers had put ointment on either his gloves or shoulders. Whatever happened, Clay fought more than an entire round almost blind, and Liston was unable to capitalize on his nearly helpless opponent.
Perhaps this is why Liston never came out after the sixth round. He couldn’t even put away a blind man. But the blind man was Cassius Clay who would soon announce his membership in the Islam nation and become Muhammad Ali. I will always contend that Ali was the greatest.
Liston knocked out by mysterious Phantom Punch
The rematch ended in the first round with Ali scoring a knockout against the indestructible Liston. The punch that took Liston out was so fast that many didn’t see it. Rocky Marciano, who observed the fight from ringside later said that the punch that many felt would hardly hurt a bantamweight, was delivered so fast that even the camera could not pick up how Ali had accelerated the blow in its last 6 inches of travel. The punch whether really hard enough to take a tough guy like Liston out or not became infamously known as the Phantom Punch.
So let’s take all the horseshit out about organized crime paying Liston to make a dive or Liston betting against himself to make an easy million or two. I’ll tell you what I really think. Muhammad Ali really was the greatest. I don’t think he ever was credited with having all the punching power that he possessed. There’s many fights I’ve seen on you tube where I can’t see the knockout blow actually being delivered, even in slow motion. I can also say that I’ve been in a few fights myself when I’ve knocked down my opponent but I felt he had slipped. I’d have people around me tell me I had knocked the man down with my fists but I had never felt a thing and had believed I had never punched my opponent at all.
Death of Big Bad Sonny Liston
Things would not end well for Liston. A few years later he was found dead in a hotel room with syringes and heroin scattered throughout the room. Obviously he had been a heroin addict. The problem was, Liston had always been deathly afraid of needles.
Recently my opinion of Sonny Liston has changed. For one thing, I have learned that he loved children. So I’m sure that had I been friendly that night I saw him at the Atkins fight, he would have made a very positive impression on me. He was given a lot of bad press as Big Bad Sonny Liston. Among other things he was constantly in trouble with the St. Louis Police department. But I had gotten it all turned around. It was the police who were constantly the instigators. They persecuted him mercilessly.
And he had a wonderful sense of humor
Once he said, “If I ever get the electric chair, I want my manager to get half the juice.”
He couldn’t read, but he was a common sense kind of guy, with a direct way of putting things. After he knocked out Patterson the second time in the first round, a reporter asked Liston: “Did Patterson fight better the second time?”
Liston replied, “Didn’t you see the fight?”
When he was asked whether nor not Patterson should retire, Liston replied:
“Who am I to tell a bird he can’t fly.”
Another time he was asked how long he hoped to retain the title. Liston replied,
“That’s like asking God how long you want to live–as long as I can.”
In an event leading up to his first fight with Cassius Clay, Liston urinated on a copy of “Time Magazine” that had Clay’s picture on the front cover. In the middle of Las Vegas in broad daylight no less.
Now I don’t know about the rest of you reading this, but the more I read about Liston, the more I like his particular brand of humor.
Anticipating his upcoming first fight with Clay, Liston remarked,
“I’m liable to be locked up for murder if I fight him.”
He was an inveterate practical joker. Once he used an electrical buzzer on a cop as he started to shake the officer’s hand. He had to pay hundreds of dollars of fines and court costs afterwards but for Sonny, the prank had been well worth it. He used to carry a double headed quarter with him at all times.
But Big Bad Sonny Liston was still an ex con who kept getting in scrapes with the police,
and that’s what I kept hearing in the media.
The more I keep reading about him the more I like him. Then of course there’s all those links to organized crime. But back in his time, professional boxing was nearly totally controlled by organized crime. In those times about the only way you could get to the top was to go through the mob. Very few top fighters were able to escape being connected on one level or another with the underworld.
Then there’s that last enduring image of him dying from a heroin overdose. Except practically everyone who knew him said he was afraid of needles. Some say he had a heart attack. Others claim he was murdered by either his mob connections or other unsavory types he might have crossed.
Joe Louis called Big Bad Sonny Liston the greatest heavyweight of them all. But he lost twice to Muhammad Ali who fought Liston under his slave name Cassius Clay. There’s a lot of controversy about both fights. And even if he hadn’t thrown either one, he was still forty at the time of his rematch although his given age was more like 32. And forty year old fighters very rarely win heavyweight titles nor do they successfully defend them. So how good was Liston really?
Just watch the you tube videos I’ve listed below and judge for yourself.
Liston vs Eddie Machen–September 7, 1960 Eddie Machen was one of the few fighters to go the distance with Liston. Machen felt that he had Liston’s number and knew how to beat him. Well–almost. But almost only counts in horse shoes.
Liston vs Patterson 1–September 25, 1962 He would have been a great fighter had he been a light heavyweight. But after allegedly ducking the cream of the heavyweight division, Floyd finally had to face reality in the form of Sonny Liston–a reality that had most likely been Floyd’s worse nightmare.
Liston vs Patterson 2-– the rematch Once again Liston demolishes Patterson in just one round. This time it takes one minute and fifty seconds
Is this the man Joe Louis called, “The Best Heavyweight of all time?”
When for many Joe Louis was the best of all? This is before Big Bad Sonny Liston knocked out Floyd Patterson in their two title fights, twice in the first round. In my opinion Sonny Liston hit his prime during these years before the Patterson bouts that brought him the heavyweight crown. By the time he fought Patterson he was already starting to show his age, which was reputedly around 40 when he first faced Clay.
I wish I had spoken out to him back at Kiel Auditorium. There is too much that has been said about the other side of Sonny Liston. And he loved kids, both white and black.
It’s cool down at Naklua Surf Turf Restaurant with the ocean breeze blowing.
I can walk just forty meters uphill from the restaurant and notice the difference in temperature. The music’s tasteful. There’s none of that Dah Dah noise that passes for music that you keep hearing down on Walking Street. And there’s no cars or motorcycles trying to run me over. Or polluting buses full of Chinese tourists. Here the staff looks out for me and my friends so I usually am able to get one of the best tables. The beer on draft is Singha and it’s good and cold. We normally get it in pitchers so there’s no waiting for the next round. But for some reason I keep going back to drinking the Guiness usually getting it in the large size bottles.
Tonight, am I here for the beer or is it because I”m testing my new Nikon D-750 camera?
I’ve got my tripod in hand, and I’m using the Sigma 50 mm F 1.4 lens. It’s going to really blur my backgrounds if I set the aperture for 1.4, but I also want to test its video capabilities. Unlike my trusty little Panasonic LX-7, shooting video with it is very tricky. I have to set the camera just right and I don’t know just how to set it to do the best video yet.
This is absolutely my number one place to practice shooting video with my Nikon 750 and Panasonic LX 10 cameras (which just replaced my Panasonic LX7) . We spent New Year’s Eve here as I shot this video. I keep getting better and every time I try, at least I have the Guiness to fall back on.
His record of 49 wins, 43 of them by knockout and zero losses, made Rocky Rocky Marciano undefeated knockout king of Heavyweights
Rocky Marciano was the only heavyweight champions who retired undefeated with a perfect record. He knocked 87.5 percent of his opponents out, eleven of them in the first round.
An excellent athlete in school, Marciano strongly considered becoming a professional baseball player. He turned to boxing instead.
Marciano lacked the physical attributes of the best heavyweights. At five foot ten and 185 pounds, he was too small for a division that’s usually dominated by six foot two and even taller men. His arms were too short. Most of the men Marciano fought had such a reach advantage that they could stand out of range as they jabbed his face to ribbons.
But Rocky could be likened to “the Terminator”
But Rocky Marciano always fought in superb physical condition. And he was relentless. Constantly moving in, he’d never give his opponents a moment’s rest. Marciano was nearly unstoppable. He was knocked down only twice In his entire career.
Marciano developed his own unique crab style of fighting to make up for his physical deficiencies. Marciano would hunch down low as he stalked his opponents. This style presented a smaller target while making his chin harder to hit. In my opinion this unorthodox style made Marciano look unskillful . He was boring to watch. And he absorbed a lot of punches. However, it was very effective.
Although Marciano threw more punches than practically everyone else, his connection rate was abysmally low. He was the antithesis of Joe Louis, whose style was one of economy and grace.
One of the reasons Marciano missed so often is he had a habit of putting his entire body behind his punches.
In December 1963 “Boxing Illustrated” measured Marciano’s punch and found it to have 1000 foot pounds of energy. Which is enough force to lift 1000 pounds one foot off the ground.
Boxing experts oftentimes compare Jack Dempsey and Rocky Marciano to each other. Sportswriters regarded both men highly as knockout artists. But if they rated Jack Dempsey as the more formidable of the two, Dempsey rated Rocky Marciano as the far more devastating puncher.
“What everyone forgets is that Marciano can punch harder with a right hand than any modern day heavyweight. In his first fight with Walcott, Rocky needed only one blow to win the title. The power in his right scrambled Jersey Joe’s brains at Chicago. I’ve scored my share of knockouts along the way, but more often than not my opponents got up after being knocked down and had to be knocked down repeatedly. The same is true of Joe Louis. But Marciano needs only one solid smash and it’s all over. That’s why Rocky Marciano is the hardest hitting heavyweight champion I have seen.”
So who really was the greatest heavyweight champion of them all?
Was it Joe Louis? Jack Dempsey? Muhammad Ali? Or Rocky Marciano, who never faced defeat? Who was smart enough to retire as the undefeated champion of the world. We will never know.
I have listed a number of you tube videos below. The last one is a computer simulation that pitted Muhammad Ali against Rocky Marciano. As he’s losing in points towards the end of this simulation, Rocky knocks out Muhammad Ali. But there was another “what if” computerized version of Rocky vs Ali. This was broadcast all over Europe. Most Americans never saw it. In the European simulation Ali beats Marciano on points.
But computers cannot measure what’s lurking down deep in a boxer’s mind and heart. These simulations were televised in 1969. In 1969 the American boxing Association had suspended Muhammad Ali from the ring, before Ali made his comeback. In his prime, Ali was so fast and so gifted that he could dominate any opponent who faced him. But years of inactivity from the ring took its toll. The blinding speed was no longer what it was.
Lesser men would have caved in to the onslaught of creeping old age and ring rust. This is when Ali proved himself to be the greatest champion of them all. It was only after Ali had already lost everything that he had to rely on tremendous strengths that he had never shown before. Such as an iron jaw and an unsurpassed will to win.
The best You Tube Videos of Rocky Marciano
Joe Louis Fight 10-26-1951 Rocky Marciano knocks out a still dangerous but aging Joe Louis. This sets Rocky up for fighting Joe Walcott for the world championship.
Marciano defeats Jersey Joe Walcott to win the heavyweight title Sept 23. 1952. This is a very interesting fight because it exemplifies how a seemingly outclassed Rocky Marciano is able to maximize his superior physical stamina and conditioning to physically wear down his opponents. The end comes in the 13th round. It comes as a bolt of lightening. The fight demonstrates a very important Marciano attribute that allows him to triumph over all his opponents. The attribute is Marciano’s supreme confidence that it is only a matter of time before he will knock out his opponent.
Although throughout most of the fight Marciano appears to be losing, he always remains supremely confident of its eventual outcome. This total self confidence is very evident moments after he knocks Joe Walcott out. Marciano knows there’s no getting up from the two blows he’s just delivered. The right hand’s probably enough. But Rocky wants to be sure. A split second later, Marciano delivers the Coup de Grace with his left. Then he casually turns away from this fallen opponent without so much as a single glance to see whether or Walcott’s getting up.
Marciano might have been the best finisher the Heavy Weight Division ever saw
With 49 wins, 43 of them by knockout and zero losses, Rocky Marciano was the undefeated knockout king of heavyweight boxers.
Marciano vs Archie Moore 9-21-1955Archie Moore’s king of the light heavyweights. He’s also one of the all time greatest punchers of the ring with a never equaled ring record of 131 knockouts. He’s on record for holding the light heavyweight title longer than anyone else. In this fight Moore will drop Marciano down in the 2nd round, which is the 2nd and last time Marciano’s ever been knocked down. But in the end Marciano has too much firepower for the old Mongoose.
In the first version, Marciano is “The Terminator” because no matter how many punches he throws Ali simply cannot put Marciano down. Marciano is in superb physical condition. As was true in nearly all his fights he’s untiring. His punching power is horrific. But Ali is able to escape Marciano’s onslaught until the very end due to his speed and tremendous boxing ability However, we must keep in mind, that whatever data was fed into the computers is based on what was known about Ali before the powers that be robbed him of his title.
And that’s when Ali became the greatest boxing champion of all time
In his first fight against Ken Norton when he fought with a broken jaw, Ali proved that his courage was just as great as Marciano’s.
Later in his three fights against Joe Frazier, there could no longer be any doubt as to both Ali’s courage and durability.
Before 1969 when computers simulated the “super fight” Muhammad’s ability to take a punch was suspect. But after Ali knocked out George Foreman and reclaimed the heavyweight title, Ali’s ability to take a punch was answered forever.
Rocky Marciano never had to face the same quality of opponents Ali had to face.
Perhaps never before in the History of the ring has the heavyweight division had so many exceptional fighters. Ali beat them all. Sonny Liston, Joe Frazier, Ken Norton, George Foreman.
But it must not be forgotten that his time at the top left Rocky Marciano undefeated,
I don’t think there’s ever been a heavyweight champion who was as durable as Ali and this includes Rocky Marciano undefeated
The Super fight video in which Marciano knocks Ali out also depicts Ali as a light hitting heavyweight. In 1969 Ali was not highly regarded for his punching power. He knocked a lot of guys out. But he did it through a flurry of punches instead of a single blow.
Unquestionably George Foreman was a very durable strong heavyweight
but when it came time to put him away, Ali put Foreman down with the greatest of ease.
There’s also the controversy over the infamous phantom punch when Ali knocked out Sonny Liston in the 1st round. Opinion on the authenticity of the phantom punch is still divided. In one camp, Ali and Liston’s detractors contend that Liston intentionally threw the fight. Such detractors contend that there’s virtually no evidence that shows Ali punching hard enough to put Liston down.
However, when you go to You tube and study the Foreman Ali fight, seconds after Ali puts Foreman down the announcer is yelling, “This is no phantom punch. This is no phantom punch.” There’s no doubt in the announcer’s mind that Ali has convincingly and quite easily stopped Foreman.
But I think there’s a little more to it than that. The announcer is very excited when he screams into his microphone,
“This is no phantom punch. This is no phantom punch.”
Here’s what I think. At this very moment the announcer believes that there never was a phantom punch in the first place. The announcer is saying in effect that Ali’s ability as a fighter is simply off the charts and that Ali did in fact knock Liston out with a single blow.
Then again, all of this is only my own opinion. But I will say this.
When you observe a fight instead of watching it on television you see a lot of things that are never picked up on television.
The action is much faster than it appears to be on television. Also…the intensity of the blows actually landing is much greater than what the television shows.
Rocky Marciano might not have been the undisputed King of the heavyweight big punchers. Certainly both Joe Louis and Jack Dempsey are equally deserving of such distinction. It’s likely that George Foreman could hit even harder than Marciano. Or Sonny Liston, who just might have gone down as a far better champion than he was had it not been for the mysterious Phantom Punch.
Or that Liston had the bad luck to be pitted against a Muhammad Ali, who had the same virtues of stamina, heart, an iron jaw, and the relentless drive to win as Rocky. Not to mention the fastest hands the heavyweight division ever saw. Nevertheless, his perfect record made Rocky Marciano undefeated king of the ring.
But Rocky Marciano could make one claim no other heavyweight could make. If he were not so modest, he could boast, “I am Rocky Marciano undefeated knockout king”.