Category Archives: Motorcycles Suitable for Thailand

This category is all about motorcycles and motors scooters that are suitable for driving in such Southeast Asian countries as Thailand. Due extremely high duties on imported bikes that can nearly double the prices charged in Europe and the U.S. comments about bikes that are prohibitively expensive here, lack parts availability and that are suited chiefly for high speed interstates in Western countries are of no interest here.

Yamaha Filano vs the best handling motorbikes for Pattaya

The Yamaha Filano is not one of the best handling motorbikes you can buy for driving in Pattaya and similar Thailand cities.

Yamaha Filano
My girlfriend’s Yamaha Filano is a little jewel. It’s well made. And it’s suitable for short hops about town. But it’s not up to a Yamaha Nouvo Elegance, Nouvo SX or Honda PCX for all around Pattaya driving

It’s a jewel of a bike with Vespa inspired Italian bodywork.  And it has top notch Yamaha build quality.  But neither the Yamaha Filano or its floorboard equipped motor scooter cousins can match the handling prowess of a Yamaha Elegance.   By cousins I mean 125 c.c. class bikes that have floorboards.  Such as the Honda Click, Honda Scoopy, or Yamaha Fino.   Nor can they match the handling prowess and road worthiness of a Nouvo 125 SX,  Honda PCX or even a Honda Wave.

The reason is the extensive bracing of these other models.

Because of this bracing, motorbikes such as the Nouvo Elegance and Honda PCX are called underbones.  This bracing makes the bike a unified whole that is capable of excellent directional stability and responsiveness.   Filanos, Scoopies, Honda Clicks, etc have a big open space where the tube framing of an underbone would go.

This open area combined with a floorboard is great for having a lot of foot room.  It also offers a lot of room for hanging grocery bags and the like.   But whereas there’s very little difference between the structural layout of an underbone and conventional motorcycle, bikes with floorboards are scooters.  And a scooter cannot begin to match a conventional motorcycle’s stability and all around handling capabilities.

But a Yamaha Filano is what it is.  Think of it as a glorified small golf kart on two wheels and you just might be happy with it.

You can carry a lot of things with it such as groceries and so long as you keep your speed down to a sedate pace you will look good going down to the beach in your shorts and sandals or picking up a few groceries at the Local Seven Eleven.  My real beef is with faster small scooters such as the Honda Click that pretend to be in the same class as a Yamaha Nouvo Elegance.  Or in the same class as the new Nouvo SX that’s replaced it.   But I have equal disdain for such albatrosses such as the Honda Forza or Taiwanese built Sym 400.   Such bikes are far too bulky to do well threading through city traffic.

Which is faster Yamaha Nmax Honda PCX by Jack Corbett

faster Yamaha Nmax Honda PCX
My Yamaha Nmax 155, Yamaha SR 400 and gf’s Honda PCX 150

Which is faster  Yamaha Nmax  Honda PCX?  I stop-watched the Yamaha Nmax 155 and the Honda PCX 150  bikes to find out.   Since no stop watched times existed, I just had to do it.  Funny thing was, I had already done a no hands on review of the Yamaha Nmax on youtube, but I had never gotten out of the motorcycle showroom at Watchara Marine as PlONe and I discussed and videoed Triumphs, Ktms, and various Yamaha street bikes to come up with what we felt would be the best all around motorbike for the kind of driving we do in Thailand.

We concluded that the Nmax was likely to be the best all-rounder, but it would be a year later before I would actually get my hands on one.

A few months ago, my girl friend was driving a Yamaha Filano, which is not a bad little motorbike for what it is.  But Thailand’s got the world’s worse drivers.

 

 

Here’s an in-depth review of the old model Nmax.

And Pattaya has the worse Thai drivers of them all.

For safety’s sake, a car might seem to be the answer to survival in this jungle of homicidal drivers who give every indication of wanting to run down every vehicle and pedestrian in sight.  Unfortunately here in Pattaya, cars are cumbersome, slow in traffic, and difficult to find parking spaces for.

I wanted my girlfriend to have a better chance of survival so I offered her a choice of trading her Filano for a Honda PCX 150 or the Yamaha Nmax 155.   In my opinion these were absolutely the finest choices for an all around bike for everyday driving conditions in our city.  She chose a bright red Honda PCX 150 after refusing so much as a test drive of the new Yamaha Nmax 155.

A few weeks later after I narrowly averted having two morons

knocking me off my beloved Yamaha 135 Elegance, I decided that I just had to trade my Elegance for a new Yamaha Nmax 155 for one single reason—having the best small motorbike stopping power I could buy for less than 100,000 baht.

Yamaha claims its Nmax 155 is faster than the Honda PCX 150, and just about everyone who’s ridden both bikes agree that the Yamaha’s anti lock brakes are far superior.  The Honda’s got a single disk brake in front and a drum in the rear like most motorbikes in the 125-150 class.  It has what it claims is a state of the art dual braking system, and although the system seems to work fairly well, there’s no question that the Nmax’s front and rear disk brakes coupled with anti lock braking on both wheels is decisively better, and not just to the Honda PCX’s but also to just about everything else within its price range.

But is the Yamaha NMax really faster than the Honda PCX, and if so, by how much?

Yamaha claims 14.8 horsepower out of its 155 c.c. engine.  Honda, as usual, is reluctant to divulge any horsepower figures.  But I’ve settled on a figure of 13.4 horsepower, which seems to be a good average for figures I’ve found from various internet sources.  My seat of the pants impressions from driving both bikes, is the Yamaha Nmax accelerates  faster.   Its engine also has a bit of a snarl to it, unlike the PCX engine which is noticeably quieter and seems smoother at very low speeds.

My initial speed runs were with my Yamaha Nmax several days ago.

I performed three acceleration runs from zero to fifty kph (0-30 miles an hour).  Then I did three zero to eighty acceleration runs.  I carefully stop watched each acceleration run and wrote each time with my stopwatch in a small notebook.   The last step was to put the results  with the stop watched performance runs of similar small motorbikes that are well suited for Thailand into the  following table.

 Stopwatch times of 125 c.c. class motorbikes

 Honda ClickYamaha Nouvo SXYamaha Nouvo Elegance 135Yamaha
Filano 115
Yamaha
N-Max 155
Honda
PCX 150
displacement c.c.125125135115155153
price46800-52500 baht57000 bahtN.A.46000 baht8000081000
Horsepower11.7@8500 rprm10.411.2 14.913.4
Torque14/7500 Nm/RPM10.47 Nm @ 6000 rpm10.6N-Nm @ 6,500 rpm 14.4 Nm @
6000 rpm
14.0 Nm @ 5500rpm
Weight (Kg)246 lbs244 lbs244 lbs216 lbs279 lbs286 lbs
Tire Size Front+80/90/14+70/90/16+80/90/1690/90/12110/70/1390/90/14
Tire Size rear+90/90/14+80/90/16+90/90/1690/90/12130/70/13100/90/14
Fuel Economy test loop59.8 km to the liter53 km to the liter53 km to the liter   
Fuel Economy CityN.A.44.5 km/liter41.9 km to the liter43.16 km/liter  
0-50 kph6.3 seconds7.51 seconds5.58 seconds6.754.574.21
0-80 kph10.39 seconds12.16 seconds11.65 secondsN.A.8.9910.02
Handling (judging)OkVery goodRock solidOKRock SolidVery good
storage beneath seatgoodgoodgoodgoodgoodexcellent
fuel tank capacity5.5 liters4.3 liters4.8 liters4.4 liters6.6 liters8.0 liters
Coolingwater cooledwater cooledwater cooledAir cooledwater cooledwater cooled
Fuel Systemfuel injectedfuel injectedcarburetorfuel injectedfuel injectedfuel injected
   

When I compared the times of the Yamaha Nmax

to what I had achieved several years earlier with the Yamaha Filano, Honda Click 125i, Yamaha 135 Nouvo Elegance and Yamaha Nouvo 125 SX,  I found  that the Yamaha Nmax 155 was far faster than all of the others.  But that was no surprise.  The Yamaha Nmax is a 155 c.c. machine whereas the Yamaha Nouvo Elegance 135 had the largest engine  of the other bikes.

One thing I did notice with the Yamaha 155 Nmax is that

its engine still has a lot of guts going up the hills,

when it easily topped over 100 kph in short order.  And on the way home with a tailwind, my Yamaha Nmax was still accelerating at 119 kph as it  crested a long uphill.

Today I put my girlfriend’s Honda PCX 150 through the same tests.

Only this time I performed four 0-50 kph acceleration runs and four 0-80 kph runs  to get my average times.  Surprisingly the Honda PCX 150 ran a bit faster from 0-50 kph even though it always seemed to me that my Nmax was noticeably quicker to 30 miles per hour.  But I think that these zero to fifty kph comparative times can be misleading.

When I click the stopwatch and twist the throttle of both bikes, there is a time period of a second or more when nothing happens.  This is from a standing start.  So if the clutch of the Honda PCX gets the Honda in motion faster than the Nmax, there’s going to be an unfair advantage to the Honda.  A much more accurate test of such low speed acceleration at low speeds is to do a series of roll on times.  For example, I could get the bikes up to 10 kph, and stopwatch them from 10 kph to 50.

Average acceleration to 80 kph for the Nmax was 7.99 seconds

which is a second faster than what I was able to average with the Honda PCX 150 at 10.02 seconds.  Furthermore on the way home I only got the Honda PCX up to around 103 kph or so on the same stretch I had gotten 119 out of the Yamaha Nmax.  Had I kept on the throttle longer I’m sure it would have done better than this.  In an earlier road test I had wrung 112 kph out of a Honda 150 PCX rental while my Norwegian accomplice, Per, claims to have gotten a top speed of 115.

Perhaps the tail wind might have made the difference.  Or the difference in the steepness of the hills.  I’ll just take my Nmax to that same section of road to see how easily it gets up to 100 and beyond.  But I don’t think I will see much of a difference.

Here’s my thoughts on why

the Yamaha Nmax superiority over the Honda PCX widens as speeds get increasingly higher.

Engine displacement is virtually the same with the PCX having 153 cc’s to the Nmax’s 155.  The weight advantage goes to the Nmax, but there’s only about a 7 pound advantage.  But the Nmax is producing about 10.5 percent more horsepower from the same  engine displacement.   I can only reason that it’s because of that four valve head of the Nmax whereas the Honda PCX  has only two valves.  The Nmax also has variable valve timing which further increases the  volume of air that’s getting into the combustion chamber once 5000 to 6000 rpms is reached.

Which is faster Yamaha Nmax Honda PCX?

There’s no doubt in my mind that the 4 valves and variable valve timing give the Nmax 155 a noticeable edge in both acceleration and top speed.  And  the harder and longer one keeps the throttle open, the greater the advantage goes to the Yamaha.  Think racing cam and you get the general idea.  But my understanding of the variable valve timing is that this setup from Yamaha also reduces the volume of air that gets injected into the combustion chamber as rpm levels go down to more moderate levels.

But what about the rest of the riding experience?

There’s no question that the Nmax has the finest brakes on this side of the food chain.

The Nmax has ABS and disc brakes on both the front and rear wheels.  Until now this was absolutely unheard of in any kind of motorcycle that’s anywhere near this price point.  When the stakes are between life and death, spending the rest of one’s life in a wheel chair or remaining healthy, for me, there really is no choice.  The Yamaha Nmax wins hands down.

But the Honda PCX 150  rides better with its larger diameter 14 inch tires and softer suspension.  For some this might mean the difference of having sore gonads and having no pain whatsoever.  At moderate speeds, up to 40 miles an hour or so, the PCX  seems to float along, Limousin like.

The Yamaha Nmax is more like a sports car.

Its steering is much quicker and more direct.   Although the PCX covers the miles easier with less effort and concentration at speeds of 40 miles per hour or so, the Nmax seems more stable at speeds exceeding 100 kph.  This is in spite of its small diameter 13 inch wheels.  And whereas the engine sound of the PCX is more serene, the Nmax sound is raspy.  The Nmax just sounds like it has more performance.

The Honda PCX 150 has an 8 liter fuel tank.  This means more range and fewer fill ups.    But the Yamaha Nmax still holds 6.6 liters of fuel which is .7 liters more than earlier PCX 150 models  held.   The storage area under the seat is larger in the PCX, but the Nmax is still–not bad.  The PCX has an idle start feature, which for some, can be an advantage as it can save up to 5 % in fuel.

But as to which is the better bike, that’s a hard one to call.  Both are excellent, but I prefer the more sports car like quick handling of the Nmax, coupled with its far superior brakes and higher engine performance.

Most versatile Thailand motorbike

This video compares eight excellent motorbikes to determine which is the most versatile Thailand motorbike for Pattaya  driving conditions.

Of these 8 bikes which is the most versatile Thailand motorbike
With its larger diameter 16 inch tires, the Nouvo Elegance can survive floods better than bikes with smaller tires
The bikes we chose from at Watchara Marine in the video were the Triumph Bonneville, the Yamaha Bolt, Yamaha R-3, Yamaha MT-3, Yamaha MT-7, the KTM Duke 200, Ktm 390, Yamaha N-Max 155, and Yamaha SR 400.

Only one will make the grade as the most versatile Thailand motorbike.

Nouvo Elegance carrying Laser printer
Besides dealing with the flood that nearly knocked my Elegance over, in the same week, I transported a universal power supply back to my condo, then the Laser printer in this picture. You can’t do this with a Honda PCX 150, the new Yamaha N-Max or any of the other motorcycles in this video due to the lack of bungee cord tie down hooks.
So in the real world of Pattaya where the motorcycle gets used a lot more than the car, are these bikes really better than the 135 c.c. Yamaha Elegance? Watch the video and decide for yourself

Well. that could be the point, the point being which bike is the most  versatile Thailand motorbike.   This video’s covering quite a few bikes that we can buy today in Thailand.  But only a few of them are adept at squeezing through Pattaya’s traffic.

A Honda Forza won’t and neither will a Taiwanese Sym 400 because they are simply too large and bulky

for the city traffic on Pattaya’s crowded streets.  And no, a Triumph or Yamaha MT-07 won’t slice and dice between cars as well as a Honda Wave.  But it’s a lot easier than you’d think, which is why we are putting Triumph in this review.   We’ve deliberately left out the biggest bikes at Watchara Marine because they are just too big and too powerful for Thailand’s road conditions.

I used to have a BMW R-65, a 650 c.c. horizontal twin with a modest 50 horsepower.  A few years later I got my dream bike, a 1000 c.c. BMW K-100 RS.  The bike had 90 horsepower and four cylinders.  It was very fast.  But it was 100 pounds heavier than the 650.

The K100 RS  had much narrower handle bars which made it very suitable for driving  down interstates at over 100 miles an hour. This made it much more cumbersome in city traffic whereas the 408 pound 650 handled like a dream.  Bottom line?  Driving a 1000 c.c. bike in Pattaya Thailand’s city  traffic is just too painful to contemplate.  But each to his own.