{"id":1639,"date":"2016-01-31T22:31:13","date_gmt":"2016-01-31T15:31:13","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/alphapro.com\/funhouse\/?p=1639"},"modified":"2025-01-18T16:40:32","modified_gmt":"2025-01-18T09:40:32","slug":"thailands-worse-tourists","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/alphapro.com\/funhouse\/2016\/01\/31\/thailands-worse-tourists\/","title":{"rendered":"Thailands worse tourists are Chinese"},"content":{"rendered":"

Thailands worse tourists\u00a0are Chinese. They are also \u00a0the most ripped off tourists here. \u00a0So listen up if you are a Chinese tourist. Because only you can change things for the better. This is going to be the best advice I am going to give you.<\/p>\n

\"Thailands
In 1982, the women from L.A. going bonkers buying clothing in a Hong Kong factory clothing outlet. As their husbands look on, the women will be paying more than double what they should be. After all, commissions are given to the rich owner of the tour company so that he can buy a second Rolls Royce. The Chinese Hong Kong tour guide would later become my best friend on the tour and explain how his company was ripping off the tour group members.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n

So why are the Chinese Thailands worse tourists?<\/h3>\n

Let’s start with the loud rude behavior and the messy disgusting habits\u00a0displayed \u00a0by so many Mainland Chinese. \u00a0Or their nasty habit of spitting. \u00a0But it’s the tour buses they use for their daily transportation that puts them at the rock bottom of the food chain of tourists \u00a0 \u00a0If a group of Chinese tourists goes out to dinner at night, they are taking the tour bus. \u00a0If they go to Alcazar to watch a lady boy show, they’re taking the tour bus. \u00a0 I’m talking Mainland Chinese now. \u00a0If you are from Hong Kong, Macau, \u00a0I’m excluding you from this group if riff raff.<\/p>\n

These tour buses are too\u00a0large \u00a0for the narrow streets in so many Thai cities.<\/h3>\n

There’s few places for them to park so they park in lanes of traffic that are normally\u00a0used to moving traffic. \u00a0The result is a three lane street becomes a two lane. \u00a0And a two lane becomes a one lane, and all because the police let them get away with it.\u00a0 \u00a0They are a menace to life and limb <\/a>while being responsible for over 50 percent of the growing traffic congestion in such cities as Pattaya.<\/p>\n

Most of their drivers drive far too fast, and do what they please. \u00a0So \u00a0if you don’t get out of their way, they are going to run you over. This huge proliferation of \u00a0tour buses that’s making the growing hordes of Chinese tourists the scourge of Thailand’s cities.<\/p>\n

The solution is\u00a0\u00a0to kick all the tour buses out<\/h3>\n

once they have discharged all their passengers to whichever hotel or resort they are staying at. \u00a0This is a terrific idea and not just for solving much of the traffic problems in Thailand’s cities, \u00a0but for all \u00a0 Chinese tourists using them.<\/p>\n

Their own tour guides victimize these armies of Chinese by ruling their bus groups with iron fists so that they can line the pockets of their bosses back in China.<\/p>\n

The tour guides take their victims only to the restaurants, bars, etc that cough up\u00a0commissions\u00a0to “these fearless leaders”.<\/h3>\n

The\u00a0Chinese tourists who \u00a0go where the tour leader tells them\u00a0to go, will be\u00a0\u00a0going to the worse restaurants, night clubs, and other venues. \u00a0This is because the best run\u00a0businesses already have enough customers so they don’t have to resort to bribing the tour guides. \u00a0The members of the Chinese tour group get the shaft while those rich bastards who own the travel companies get the cash their tour guide lackeys send back to them.<\/p>\n

The good Thai owners who run their businesses properly aren’t going to get much Chinese business. \u00a0 This is due to the willingness of unscrupulous owners to split \u00a0commissions with tour guides who are exploiting their tour groups.<\/p>\n

It’s a big win for practically everybody if Thailand are kicks all the tour buses out of town<\/h3>\n

once they deliver their passengers to whatever hotel they are staying at.<\/p>\n

For example, if a group of tourists arrives in Pattaya from Bangkok, and the destination for that particular tour group is the Centara Grand Mirage Beach Resort<\/a>, once the tour group is let off at Centara, the bus must get out of town by returning to Bangkok or going to special parking areas that are created for the sole use\u00a0of tour buses. These parking areas could be built on the same order of the hundreds of truck stops in the United States that provide lodging, restaurants and other amenities for the truck drivers.<\/p>\n

Not long ago, hordes of Russian tourists descended upon Pattaya.<\/p>\n

However, \u00a0there\u2019s a vital difference between the Russians and Chinese Tourists<\/h3>\n

from the Peoples Republic of China. Once the Russians come here, they typically dispense with\u00a0their tour buses. \u00a0Then they are on their own using baht taxis, mini buses, motorbike taxis or \u00a0renting motorbikes for their transportation needs.<\/p>\n

The difference is the Russians are individualistic enough to want to seek out their own favorite entertainment venues, restaurants, shops, and other recreational pursuits such as Koh Larne Island, Nong Nooch botanical garden, the Tiger Zoo, etc. Very seldom will you see very large Russian groups traveling together.<\/p>\n

And they don\u2019t plug up the traffic the way the\u00a0Chinese tour buses do when they transport \u00a0large groups of Chinese run all day and night long. \u00a0 \u00a0More than anything, it’s the explosive growth in numbers of tour buses, and all that rottenness that comes with them that makes the Chinese\u00a0Thailands worse tourists .<\/p>\n

By now you might be thinking that I really hate the Chinese.<\/h3>\n

This is simply untrue. \u00a0I just hate the way they are doing things here in Pattaya which is where I’ve been living for the past 10 years. \u00a0I learned a long time ago how this corrupt business between tour guides and businesses that offer them commissions works. \u00a0It all started with a young Chinese tour guide from Hong Kong I became good friends with back in 1982.<\/p>\n

His name was Larry. \u00a0Larry\u00a0was a well dressed polite \u00a0Chinese in his twenties. \u00a0Our group started in Hong Kong. Then we went to Singapore and finally to Bangkok.<\/p>\n

Out of the entire group in our tour I only hung around with Siegfried, a German who had been working for ten years in New York as a butcher and, Mary, an American woman who was about the same age as Siegfried and myself.<\/p>\n

More than half our tour group were Jews from Los Angeles<\/h3>\n

who had all known each other for years. Then there was another Jew and his wife who were from New York City. I\u2019ll never forget this New Yorker \u00a0whose name was Al. \u00a0Now they might all be Jews, except for Siegfried, Mary and me, but there was a huge difference between them. \u00a0The L.A. group was very cliquish. Whereas Al was his own man.<\/p>\n

So the L.A. Jews never really accepted Al . \u00a0The L.A. group was also very profligate with their money, a trait which I found to most unusual for most Jewish people.<\/p>\n

But Al was \u00a0a bird of another feather. \u00a0For one thing regardless of how the rest of our group was traveling, \u00a0Al was always finding his own transportation\u00a0\u00a0whether on foot, by taxi, subway or bus. \u00a0For example, while in Bangkok, if the rest of us visited the Royal Palace, at $20.00 each through the tour guide and tour bus, \u00a0Al paid only five dollars by taking the bus or private taxi.<\/p>\n

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Their eyes now on something else to buy. It’s the same old story at a different factory outlet.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n

Much\u00a0of the tour, whether we were in Thailand, Singapore or Hong Kong consisted of \u201ccultural events\u201d<\/h3>\n

such as observing glass vases and kitchenware being made starting with the actual blowing of the glass in small cottage factories. Then we\u2019d go somewhere else to watch how shirts were being made, or artifacts being crafted\u00a0from Jade. There were jewelry \u201cfactories\u201d and so on. \u00a0But everyone of those\u00a0little factories had a retail shop\u00a0attached to it.<\/p>\n

The Jewish wives of the Los Angeles men would go absolutely bonkers in all those shops. \u00a0I\u2019d hear them exclaim, \u201cOh, these will make such wonderful Christmas presents for Bill, and Jesse, and Sally. \u00a0And I must not forget Cousin Erma and Bertha.<\/p>\n

So I\u2019d watch them gather up all the things they were buying, and then the men would have to arrange the shipping to Los Angeles. This is because all those women were buying so much shit that there was no way they could put all that stuff into their luggage. \u00a0And then just one hour later they\u2019d be repeating their greedy performance at a little factory making\u00a0decorations out\u00a0of sea shells.<\/p>\n

\"Siegfried\"
Siegfried was a German butcher who moved to New York City 10 years before we got on the tour together.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n

I usually ate breakfast, \u00a0lunch and dinner with\u00a0Mary and Siegfried,<\/h3>\n

and once in awhile we\u2019d all buy Larry breakfast or dinner at the hotel restaurant. \u00a0No one else would invite Larry because I think for most of the group he was just\u00a0a lowly\u00a0tour guide. The hotel food cost\u00a0at least double what it would been\u00a0at a decent American restaurant. \u00a0So Larry would usually go outside the hotel to eat at a Chinese or Thai noodle stand for a fraction of what the rest of us were paying for our meals.<\/p>\n

Then\u00a0Siegfried and I had started to hear about Thai massages, and how a man could get a full hour and a half\u2019s soapy massage for around fifteen dollars\u00a0or so.<\/h3>\n

When we asked Larry about the renowned soapy massages he knew exactly where to take us. A few minutes taxi ride out of the hotel took us to a large establishment where a Thai man dressed in a tuxedo escorted us to a large glass window through which we could view over thirty women, all of them wearing numbers to identify themselves.<\/p>\n

It didn\u2019t take me long to pick out a tall woman with a terrific set of breasts to accompany me to the massage room. \u00a0Here I spent the (up to then) best one and a half hours of my life. \u00a0After Siegfried and I returned from our erotic encounters we joined Larry at the bar where we all had a few beers together while we\u00a0flirted with the Thai waitresses.<\/p>\n

By this time Mary and Siegfriend had started sharing a room together. \u00a0Then one of them, I can\u2019t remember which and it doesn\u2019t matter, got sick, so the pair started spending a lot more time in the room. \u00a0This left me by my lonesome, especially when it came to breakfast\u2019s and dinner because Mary and Siegfried were usually getting room service. \u00a0\u00a0I often ate alone or I\u2019d sit with Al and his wife.<\/p>\n

But Bangkok\u2019s world famous night life was not to be missed<\/h3>\n

and I found a very willing confederate in Larry. \u00a0On at least one night we went to a few bars in Patpong<\/a>. \u00a0We were both pretty green when it came to the bar girls who saw Larry and me as two lambs they could easily lead to the slaughter. \u00a0Whenever we\u2019d enter a new bar we\u2019d suddenly have five or six bar girls sweep down on us. I\u2019d find one girl feeling my dick while another girl would be massaging my back, and we\u2019d be buying them all drinks or offering them tips.<\/p>\n

It didn\u2019t take Larry and me long to catch on to what was really going on, so we\u2019d resort to putting most of our money in our socks so the bar girls would have no idea of how much cash we were actually carrying. \u00a0Then we\u2019d each put around five or ten dollars in our pockets, and that would be our budget for the next bar we\u2019d go into. \u00a0We\u2019d last about ten or fifteen minutes and<\/p>\n

when the bar girls thought we had run out of money they\u2019d drop us as if we were lepers<\/h3>\n

and descend onto the next men to come into the bar. This left Larry and I \u00a0drinking\u00a0with each other without any interference from the money hungry girls. Being finally\u00a0able to drink our beers in peace we were able to discuss many things such as our girlfriends back home. \u00a0Or who we liked and didn\u2019t like from the tour group, Thai bar girls, and what really went on in the tour.<\/p>\n

Larry\u2019s boss was a very wealthy Hong Kong Chinese who lived on Victoria Peak<\/a><\/h3>\n

where a lot of the very wealthy Hong Kong Chinese owned large mansions with expensive cars lining their drive ways. Larry\u2019s boss owned not one, but two Rolls Royces. As for Larry, he barely got enough salary from the tour agency to be able to afford a decent dinner at an inexpensive noodle stand. Larry had a girlfriend but she was from Singapore rather than Hong Kong. \u00a0As for Hong Kong, Larry didn\u2019t like most of the people living there, and he had absolutely no use for Hong Kong’s women who he regarded as a bunch of money hungry bitches.<\/p>\n

Larry then went on to tell me how the commissions worked. Every time he\u2019d take us to a restaurant, \u00a0it would be a restaurant that was paying commissions to his boss back in Hong Kong. The same applied to the Jade outlet, and the place that had sold all the L.A. wives all that artwork they were shipping off to their friends and family in Los Angeles. As for Larry, he wasn\u2019t getting any of those commissions.<\/p>\n

As I remember a deluxe tour to Russia cost something like $3000.<\/h3>\n

That was in about 1983 for an 18 day tour to Russia. \u00a0The Asian tour cost $2700. \u00a0This was one year before I took the Russian tour. The difference was that the Russian tour included just about everything. All our meals were included and with the meals so was the champagne and the wine, beer and vodka. \u00a0We even had the finest Russian black surgeon caviar and even that was included in the price of the tour. \u00a0We went to the Russian ballet which was included. Our entry fee to all the museums \u00a0was included. When I look back on it I think I paid only something like $100 over the initial cost of the entire tour package.<\/p>\n

This was not true for the Asian tour that \u00a0paid for two Rolls Royces for its rich Chinese owner.<\/h3>\n

I had to pay for nearly all my meals most of which I ate at whatever hotels we stayed at (which left a lot of commission money for the Chinese owner of the tour agency). \u00a0We also had to pay for all those mini tours to the Royal Palace<\/a> and similar attractions in Hong Kong and Singapore. \u00a0So a big tour bus took us \u00a0practically everywhere \u00a0so that we could support the wealthy Hong Kong Chinese’s Rolls Royce habit by having to overpay for all those little side trips.<\/p>\n

I hope I have a lot of Chinese reading this so far.<\/h3>\n

Because by now it should be obvious that I am \u00a0really not anti Chinese at all. Larry had wound up becoming my best friend on the tour and he was Chinese and I certainly liked him a lot better than most of the Americans from LA who were on the tour with me. \u00a0So let me bring everyone\u00a0to the present. \u00a0Which is what is happening in Pattaya today because of the huge proliferation of tour buses which are filled up for the most part by Chinese.<\/p>\n

I\u2019ll give you two examples of how the touring agencies you travel with are ripping you and your fellow mainland Chinese off .<\/h3>\n

Believe me, you will be far better off sending all those tour guides of yours back to Shanghai, Beijing or whatever other caves they just crawled out of.<\/p>\n

My first example\u2019s the Pen Bar here in Naklua. I\u2019ve known Pen for over ten years now, and Pen\u2019s a straight shooter all the way. She has a very loyal clientelle of Western customers for very good reason. Number one, she never overcharges any of her customers no matter how drunk they might become or how helpless they might seem to become due to overindulgence of alcohol. Number two….she will nearly always tell you what she really thinks, and not just what she thinks you want to hear or what will benefit her bar.<\/p>\n

Anyway, when the subject turns to the Chinese invasion of Pattaya and\u00a0the tidal wave of tour buses that is making a mess out of the traffic here,<\/p>\n

Pen tells me, \u201cThe Chinese are really stupid.\u201d<\/h3>\n

So when I ask her why, she tells me about how a Chinese guy once came into her bar, and when she asked the man what he wanted to drink, he told her, \u201cSorry. Cannot drink now. Must wait for Fearless Leader (our tour guide) who will tell me what to drink, whether he thinks my drink is poisoned or not and how much I must pay for the drink. \u00a0He will also tell us if we are safe here or not. \u00a0We always do what our fearless leader tells us to do.\u201d<\/p>\n

After a few minutes the rest of the tour group arrives, and at their head in walks the Fearless Leader. \u00a0Right off he strides up to Pen and asks, \u201cYou charge everyone in group 140 baht for beer,okay? \u00a0And you and I split the rest, fifty fifty, okay? Pen\u2019s selling her bottle beer for 80 baht. This means the tour guide is wanting to get a sixty baht commission for each beer his group orders which means thirty baht for Pen and thirty baht for either himself or his bosses back in Beijing. \u00a0Pen, who\u2019s an honest lady refuses, and the tour leader promptly orders his entire group away from the bar so he can take all his Chinese minions somewhere else that is willing to spill\u00a0commissions into\u00a0his rotten dirty hands.<\/p>\n

Then there\u2019s the five star hotel just down the beach from me. The other night, I was having dinner and drinks with my girlfriend and another Thai woman. It costs 900 baht for the all you can eat buffet and three hours of all you can drink. The hotel is at 70 percent occupancy and a large percentage of that is Chinese, but there\u2019s not one Chinese eating here that night.<\/p>\n

Our waiter tells me \u00a0the Chinese tour guide asked the hotel for commissions and the hotel refused. One can be sure that the tour guide took his group of subjects somewhere else that night,<\/h3>\n

and that the restaurant had been all too willing to enrich his Chinese superiors from whatever rock they had crawled out from.<\/p>\n

The solution for all concerned is to kick all the tour buses out from Pattaya and similar Thai cities. This alone will make the traffic situation infinitely better. The tour leader will no longer be \u00a0able to \u00a0to confine his Chinese tour members to the tour bus. \u00a0Without the tour bus he can no \u00a0longer justify taking all his subjects to only those places he favors.<\/p>\n

The Chinese tour members will now have to arrange for their own transportation to whichever bars or restaurants they want to go to<\/h3>\n

instead of their fearless leaders cherry picking those establishments willing to fork over commissions. \u00a0And when it comes to such wondrous attractions such as Nong Nooch Tropical Garden, the Siracha Tiger Zoo<\/a>, the Crocodile Farm<\/a>, the Khao Kheow open zoo<\/a>, Underwater World<\/a>, etc. large tour buses are completely unnecessary.<\/p>\n

There\u2019s a lot of tours one can get on where mini buses that can easily negotiate the narrow streets here show the tourists around. There\u2019s motorbike taxis and baht taxis that are willing to take their occupants nearly everywhere they want to go at very reasonable prices.<\/p>\n

Once a tour group arrives here, the truth is, the large tour bus is as useless as tits on a boar.<\/h3>\n

Meanwhile, the Chinese \u00a0will now have much more freedom of choice to choose for themselves the best entertainment spots, the best restaurants, and other top notch venues that Thailand has to offer. As it is now they get to have all those money hungry Chinese tour companies choose only those venues that are willing to pay commissions to the undeserving.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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