Topless Club Tigers running loose is one thing but
when a white tiger appears on the scene, it's time for
Xtreme Weapons.
Tiger Wayne strip club tigers are playful feline cubs typically 30-40
pounds. I get to shoot the pictures. Jack Corbett
Just to watch a tiger running
or at play is enough to make the heart pound. But to play with
a tiger while
the cameras on you is one of those rare opportunities
dreams are made of. I have been one of the fortunate few who
gets to take pictures of some of the most beautiful women in
the world with the most captivating and photogenic animals on
the planet, which all started that night they started holding
the first S.P.E.W. wrestling matches over at Big Daddy's Cabaret
in Fort Leonard Wood, Missouri. At the nude wrestling matches I met Tiger Wayne
for the first time, a man who has access to over 150 big cats...
tigers, leopards, lions, pumas, jaguars, and cheetahs among them.
Counting himself as one of the most fortunate men on the planet
for being working with these beautiful, dangerous predators,
Tiger Wayne earned his reputation for daring to do things with
his animals other animal trainers are either too
timid or sane to try. Why? Let's talk to him.
Jack Corbett: Ive noticed,
Wayne, that the girls who've modeled with your tigers seems to
like them better than dogs, or house cats, or just about anything.
What's up?
Tiger Wayne: The whole world is fascinated by tigers to
start with. Its not just girls... guys like them too. When
I pull up to a gas station with that 40 foot animal trailer of
mine with the open strip sides Ill have 10 people immediately
nudging up to take a look. By the time I've filled up, over 100
to 150 people are encircling the trailer. Cell phones, you know.
Jack: Okay, Im fascinated by tigers. So, whats
the reason? Why are people so fascinated by tigers?
Wayne: First off its because they're wild, mysterious,
and dangerous. Think about this animal that has the power to
take down a water buffalo. I mean, this animal can kill just
about anything that lives. They're the finest killing machine
on earth. They're lungs are a problem though. The lungs are good
for only about 100 yards of hard going.
Jack: Only about one hundred yards?
Wayne: Thats about it.
Jack: Is the same thing true about a lion, for example?
Wayne: Lions do much
better because they operate like a military unit... they form
a circle around their game. And then they close in. So they do
quite well, and thats why lions are not on the endangered
list like all the other cats.
Jack: Because they are organized?
Wayne: Because of the family unit. The other thing a Tiger
has babies. First off, big cats keep their babies with them for
over two years. Tiger's are solitary. Not that they want to be.
Because its the only way that they can eat. It takes so
much area for them to be able to feed themselves. So they have
to live a solitary lifestyle. So when Mom goes off to hunt, which
can take all day, theres no one left to protect these babies.
And theres plenty of predators who want to eat those tiger
babies.
Jack: Such as?
Wayne: Hyenas mostly. Hyenas are also the dreaded enemies
of leopards... they can fight off one hyena, but hyenas operate
in packs so the leopard once he makes his kill climbs a tree
and drapes his kill over a tree limb, eats his fill, then go
about his business for a few days then go back to eat again.
When these animals make a kill, they eat on that kill until their
tongues which youve felt are extremely porous. And those
tongues wipe the bone clean. Big cats are the true conservators
of the earth.
Jack: Hey, how fast are these animalslike a lion
or a tiger?
Wayne: Lions and tigers can get to about 20mph., possibly
25 mph., and leopards can get up to about 35 mph. Then theres
the cheetah which tops out at 65 mph.. Thats the fastest
mammal on earth.
Jack: And what about the prey of the Lion or Tiger? When
the cat is at about its maximum speed of up to twenty-five
miles an hour I might be able to outrun it with my bicycle.
Wayne: If you ever watch your housecat, and thats
how you see a lion or tiger makes up for its lack of speed. Because
of their stealth. They creep forward. You ever watch a house
cat stalking a mouse? They stalk until they know that they are
in range, and then they pounce. Lions and tigers are the same.
Jack: How did you get started in this business?
Wayne: I was down in Waco, Texas at a fair and people kept
coming by my displays and saying: Where are the tigers?
I asked myself...Tigers? So, I had to find out.
Jack: How many years ago was that?
Wayne: It will be thirteen years this October. I found
Jay in his booth where he had a little spot with a small cage
and three tigers in there playing. He had a sign up that he was
trying to support his cat farm.
Jack: Where was the cat farm?
Wayne: It was in Bridgeport, Texas. He had like twenty-five
cats. He was trying to raise the amount of meat he needed which
was about 5,000 pounds a week. He was selling pictures. I walked
up to him and said, thats really neat. Can I get
in there and play with them? Praying is something you dont
do with cats, but I didnt know it and Jay had nothing to
lose. He was eating road kill as it was. You know hed get
a road kill and cut the back strap off of it for him and his
wife and hed feed the rest to his cats. When you are in
this business you give everything youve got to your animals
and you take whats left over. So he said, Yeah, go
ahead. I went in there and the first one jumped me, then the
second once jumped me, And they were bouncing all over me, and
I had a ball. And when I walked out of there I was in love for
life.
Jack: They were jumping all over you? Just playing with
you?
Wayne: Oh yeah. You see, those cats had no rules in the
cage. Now, my cats have rules in the cage. They can never jump
on a human. Because I like going in with them when they are adults
too.
Jack: So they were just jumping on you? They were not clawing
on you?
Wayne: No! They were playing.!! They were wrasslin'.
Jack: There were three of them and how large were they?
Wayne: They were about 100 pounds each. About twice the
size of what Max is.
Jack: What were you doing in the fair in the first place?
Wayne: I had all my retail stuff.
Jack: Such as?
Wayne: Well, we had all our family stuff such as personality
computers. You know anywhere you go to a fair in the United States,
you see those personality computers?
Jack: Oh.....(as it dawns on me)You were doing that?
Wayne: Actually I wasnt doing anything. The local
girls were working the booths and I was setting up the displays
and collected the money. I would promote acts and get commissions
and I was making over $100,000 a year. And I was happy, I thought.
Until I ran into Jays cats. And he needed help so I said,
Why are you paying rent? There was a circus there in the
fair. People didnt give a damn where the circus was. They
wanted to know where the tigers were. So I told Jay, You
are the most popular thing in the fairgrounds so why in the hell
would you pay them rent? So I started booking him places as a
feature... no more rent.. Then I saw how many cats he had so
I said to him, why dont you put a show together?
And he asked: What do you mean? So I told him with
all the knowledge youve got, why dont you go to the
fairs and bring more than just these photo cats, Bring ten cats
with you (because he had everything. All kinds.) So bring these
cats with you and talk to the people. Pick up a mic and tell
these people about these animals. Educate them. Tell them all
this stuff youve been telling me. So he asked: Why
should I do that? So I said to him: Because if you
do that I can call it a show and I can get fairs to pay you.
So four months later I had him his first gig at Lake Charles
Louisiana Contraband Days for an eleven day spot which paid him
eleven thousand or a grand a day.
Well I had told him, you put together a show and these people
will pay your just for showing up with your animals as the attraction.
I mean, they pay for racing pigs and this guys got
white tigers, black panthers, snow leopards and he was paying
them. Well we fixed that.
Jack: So you were starting to get these bookings for him?
Wayne: Yes. And then Id be here and hed be
somewhere else so eventually Id just start taking off saying
to myselfTo hell with it. My employees can take care
of things while Im gone. So Id drive four hundred
miles to be where the cats were. I just couldnt stay away
from them. No matter how hard I tried I just couldnt stay
away from them.
Jack: Why?
Wayne: That first time. I just got this little scar on
my stomach still where I cut myself on one of their teeth.
Jack: How did you cut yourself on their teeth?
Wayne: One jumped up on my back and when I turned to him
another one was jumping on my front. Well they play with their
mouths open. So when I turned I rubbed my stomach across his
tooth. They werent biting down I mean. And I didnt
know anything. I just knew there were three tigers and I was
just fascinated. I mean I started doing such crazy things with
them that just before a year after I had met Jay, they were calling
me, Tiger Wayne. Thats because I do things that other people
in the industry say are going to get you killed.
Jack: So you are still involved with Jay, right?
Wayne: Yes. Very much so. I mean he owns this ride that
Im operating. I mean when I said he used to eat road kill,
nowadays he just bought this ride for cash for 400 grand.
But its still the rides that are supporting the cats for
hes now up to 115 cats.
Jack: Okay.....I had a couple of questions for you and
one you have just partially answered. One is what do you do and
what places do you show your cats and the other is, what exactly
is a cat farm?
Wayne: A farm iswell its a term we mostly use
with each other. To the public or practically anybody else, they
are actually refuges where the animals live for their entire
life. Its a rescue center.
Jack: Are these places essentially for animals that have
been raised by people as pets after which these people realize
they cannot handle them?
Wayne: Like Max.
Jack: Who couldnt handle Max?
Wayne: These people were living between Joplin (Missouri)
and Springfield, and they got him and then they had a grand child,
but they declawed the poor little guy, but its a good declaw
job so he probably wont be hindered by it when he grows
up, but they thought they could make a pet out of him, but when
you wrestle with them on the floor just like you would a puppy
dog, when its just a little ball of fur with no teeth and
no claws, he cant hurt you. But anything you do with a
cat becomes learned behavior, so now you have taught this animal
how to play. In the wild when they are when they are playing
they are learning all the skills they need to hunt and kill.
So play is how they learn their killing skills. They dont
know what they are learning. Mom doesnt take them with
her until they are nine, ten or eleven months old. So they are
just batting each other with claws and biting and they are learning
how their body parts work. And then the first time they watch
mother hunt itsOh, thats what you do
with these. So when a human gets one, and plays with him and
lets him play back, the humans are honing his skills on how to
kill them.
Jack: On how to kill them, his masters?
Wayne: Exactly. You see with mine I love them, I kiss them,
Ill lay down with them, and Ill let them get on top
of me but Ill never let them get a play motion with me.
They are just like a child. You know how when you play with a
child it starts to play harder and harder and harder, well hes
going to keep going at it harder, You hug them, you nourish them,
you love them, you feed them. I mean Im the only fool in
the world who walks in a cage with six large tigers holding six
turkey drum sticks in front of him. Every professional in the
industry says you cant do it but I do it all the time.
Every animal Ive got feeds from my hand.
Jack: So this cat that Ive played with and we are
talking about, Max, when he was around fifty pounds, the owners
start to recognize that he is becoming dangerous and they want
to give him up to you?
Wayne: No. Hes only about seven or eight weeks old
when the teeth start coming in nd he starts bleeding like a sieve
everytime he grabs something. So they call, Help. Somebody
take this off our hands."
Jack: How many cat farms are there that you are associated
with?
Wayne: I work with a half a dozen. In Texas there iswell
no one really knows. But the legitimate ones that have licences,
theres over 200 of them.
Jack: In the U.S.?
Wayne: No. In Texas. In the United States, probably a couple
of thousand. There are more tigers in Texas than in all of the
wild combined.
Jack: How many tigers would you say there are in the state
of Texas?
Wayne: Id say between 5 and 8 thousand.
Jack: So although there are a few people killed a year,
thats not that many compared to the total cats in captivity.
Wayne: Theres only about one in every third year
killed. The death rate is extremely low
Jack: How about people who are scalped or their arms are
cut off? Things like that.
Wayne: That type of injury is a little more common. If
you look at your history of injuries its usually general
public injury from wild cats and at one point when people were
fighting U.S.D.A., they went to a court hearing and they got
the stats. In the ten years prior to that date, there had been
one hundred and twenty citizens injured by big cats. Two of them
died. Now thats citizens. We are not talking trainers.
In the same ten years there had been a hundred-thousand people
injured in attacks by dogs and over 250 had died. So the relationship
is two dead to two hundred and fifty dead. The dogs are a lot
more dangerous. Even though there are a lot more of them, they
kill just as easily. And people are training their dogs to kill.
People dont train their tigers to kill. It is the stupid
private owners where most of those accidents come from. They
are training their tigers to killthey dont know it.
Jack: You show your cats at county fairs and I know also
that you show them at clubs.
Wayne: At country fairs, and state fairs and sport
shows and boat shows. Different
kinds of meetings. Microsoft wanted us to do their annual three
day picnic but it was in August when we are doing state fairs.
So were unable to do it which I thought it would have been cool
because if Bill Gates had been there and liked us, he could have
given me the money to really take care of the animals.
Jack: Youve already answered the question about how
many cats are being kept in captivity in the United States. Okay,
online, there are a number of web sites that are saying this
is tragic that people think they can keep big cats for pets.
Do you think that it's a mistake for people to keep them as pets.
Wayne: Absolutely, positively, definitely they are not
pets. We adopt them from the pet industry. But you have to understand
that every time we take a cat in from the pet industry we're
committing to feeding that cat 100,000 pounds of meat in it's
lifetime. That's a big investment.
Jack: And that is going to cost how much?
Wayne: If they were using the cheapest meat you can buy...
$100,000 at least.
Jack: Somewhere Ive read somewhere that you have
to have a certain type of enclosure with concrete footings...
Wayne: To build a compound for it, a humane compound for
it, is a bare minimum of thirty thousand dollars.
Jack: Okay, and how large would this be?
Wayne: That would be a minimum of forty by fifty. Thats
for a big cat whos a very lazy animal. He has to have a
perch. He has to have a place where he likes to go to the bathroom.
He has to have a place to live. He has to have a house. In the
case of Jaguars, they have to have a pool where they can get
into because they love the water. And they have to have their
specific toys and the things that they enjoy. In the case of
leopards and bears you want to have a tree in there because they
love to climb. You want to give them the things that they like
in life. A lot of places like us give them far superior places
to life in the wild. A lot of them are slimy garbage that are
raising them to sell to the Chinese for the pharmaceutical trade
because they are offering over $200 a pound for tiger bones.
Because they cant get them out of the wild anymore because
they are practically extinct and they cant find them anymore.
Jack: How many cats are there in the wild right now? Theres
very few Siberian tigers Id guess.
Wayne: Theres about one hundred and fifty Siberians,
theres probably around a thousand to twelve hundred Indo-Chinese,
theres probably between 2,500 and 3,500 Bengals which is
the most populous. There was only about 25 in South China, and
Ive been seeing some reports that it could be up to fifty
but if theres fifty then they are so inbred because there
is simply no place to go to in South China. They are due to go
extinct. I mean weve got computers and Internet and everything
that weve invested since World War II but since World War
II, three subspecies of tigers have gone extinct--The Bali, the
Java, and the Caspian. We are not talking about extinct in the
wild. We are talking about captivity. No one had the forethought
to put a few into breeding so that we could carry on the species.
So now in this country people are taking Siberians and Bengals
and just letting them live together. Ninety percent of the tigers
in this country are hybrid. We are losing the balance of the
sub-species.
Jack: You know today before I called you I went down to the Cahokia
Mounds and after I ran up those steps to the top of Monks Mound
around four times I took a walk around the other mounds for about
four miles and during that walk I must have seen about fourteen
deer. And honest to God, Wayne, I was thinking about a gun article
I might do, and that just got me going and then I went to this
little wooded section and by God this deer was about eight feet
away.
Wayne: Isnt that phenomena though?
Jack: I know. Eight feet. And he just ambled off until
he was about twenty-five feet away, and she had her little fawn
behind and they were both eating off the branches of the tree
and I just kneeled and talked to them for about five minutes.
Im thinking these guys think they are tough guys shooting
these deer with whatever they are shooting them with, and Ive
got a lot of guns myself. You know that.
Wayne: I love guns and I love shooting them, but I shoot
at targets.
Jack: Yeah. I do too.
Wayne: I mean hunters are a necessary evil because weve
already killed off the predators so now the prey, the whitetail,
cars hit them everyday in my neck of the woods because theres
overpopulated. So they have to be thinned out, but its
not going to be me that does it. But when they put their pictures
in the paper and its Big Bwana this. What they do, they
went and bought some elevated house where they sit nice and cozy
warm and they put salt lick down before, then they put some deer
corn down, and the deer goes out there everyday and hes
got his corn and his lick of salt, and hes just loving
it. This deer has got himself a little deer haven, but Bwana
is up there in this tree during the hunting season with his high
powered telescopic rifle that a nine year old couldnt miss
with, and while that deer is sitting there and enjoying his fat,
boom, he blows him away, and then he stands in the street corner
in front of the processing plant and hes telling everybody
how good he is, and then the newspaper is full of two or three
pages of Oh, Charlie is ten years old and this is his first
buck. I mean, Im not a good person to be living in a hunting
area.
Jack: I do all this bicycling on these bicycling trails
out here and Im seeing deer all over the place so it wouldnt
take much for me to get a deer so Im thinking, Tigers are
almost extinct and some they have made extinct, so Im thinking,
What does it take to take out a tiger? It doesnt
take much of a rifle to put a tiger away, does it?
Wayne: Oh No. You know if you are a good shot, you can
stop anything on earth with a plain old 30-30. Any .30
caliber bullet will stop an animal if you know where to place
it.
Jack: Even an elephant.
Wayne: An elephant? Well youd damn well better know
where the soft spot and the heart is. If you hit an elephant
in the hide you arent going to do anything with a 30 caliber.
You put a 30 caliber bullet between the eyes of any animal on
earth and you are going to drop it.
Jack: So a 30-30 is going to do the job on a tiger?
Wayne: Oh, you can kill a tiger with a .22. If you go for
the head. But if you are aiming at the bodythe bodies are
not heavily muscled except for the arms and the shoulders. So
a high velocity slug like a .22 would easily go into the heart.
The thing is with the small bullet if you dont hit the
vital organ you dont stop him. But a thirty-thirty would
stop a tiger. The blow would stop him. But technically all you
need is a starters pistol. Because the big cats are not
very brave. They hunt just out of necessity. But they are nearly
always in hiding. They totally avoid man. They dont eat
men, they dont go near men, they are afraid of men. Once
in awhile youve got an old crippled cat that cant
feed himself anymore. Hes starving to death, and he may
try to take a small child because he has to have some sort of
food or he will die. And then they say, they say a lot of things
in the world that are not true, they say that once theyve
tasted human flesh that thats all they want after that.
But they also discover that humans are about the easiest animal
to kill. All they know is that the human is the most dangerous
animal there is.
Jack: Do you feel that a four hundred pound tiger or any
four hundred pound cat is dangerous for you or for anyone else
to show in a night club?
Wayne: Four hundred pounds is, again, just a little beyond.
Its not dangerous to me. No. But it gets to a size where
if he darts quickly, he can drag me with him, and he can reach
somebody. Where at 300 pounds, if he darts quickly, I can still
bring him down. I can drop my 205 pounds on the stage, and he
cant pull it.
Jack: So then the obvious answer is that a fifty
pound cat is not dangerous in a club?
Wayne: No. Not at all. But...its dangerous if its
with an idiot. Any cat with an idiot is dangerous. Like when
a girl sticks her hair in the cats face and has him going
for her face with its claws open and everything. But you got
girls who if they get a scratch she is going to scream bloody
murder and sue you.
Jack: Now are you licensed or bonded or have insurance?
Wayne: We have insurance and the permits that we have are
U.S.D.A. Affis which is an organization that shouldnt even
be in existence. Its just a waste of money because what
they basically do is with pet shops and dog breeding places and
things like that.
Jack: Well, like what kind of insurance do you have?
Wayne: We carry a million dollar liability.
Jack: So if you went to Caesars Palace or some place
like that, you can claim, Weve got a million dollars
liability?
Wayne: "Exactly."
Jack: You have talked to me several times about possibly
having a calendar. On the order of my Xtreme Weapons calendar.
Wayne: Absolutely. Id like to have twelve of the
hottest, hottest, hottest girls in the world. Or six of the hottest
to do two months each. Or maybe three months each. Actually an
18 month calendar might be better. Because this is something
someones going to want to keep for a long time. We call
it Endangered Cats in the World, which obviously
we are talking about the endangered tigers. And other cats, but
also we refer to ladies as cats, so endangered cats is a double
meaning. And one of the biggest drawbacks to calendar sales is
theres still a lot of men who are afraid to bring one home
because their women will not stand for it. But women are fascinated
by the cats. So the women will allow the calendar with the cats
in their house. And there will be no topless. They will all be
tasteful. They will be better than Sports Illustrated,
and they will all be different.
Jack: You know what Ive been thinking? I could take
a small article about each cat and in that article put in a quotation
from you. It would be in italics. There would be the title for
that month, then beneath that for instance, something about your
dream of having this calendar. Wayne: There are two things Ive always wantedthe
calendar and Big Cat Paradise.
Jack: Big Cat Paradise? Whats that?
Wayne: Well..it will be a refuge open to the public but
it wont be like anything the world has ever seen before.
I just need a backer. I need someone with money who wants to
do something. A million dollars would do it. You get a couple
hundred acres. You start with a 20 acre parcel that will hold
150 cats. And you build these compounds that would run from 15
to 30,000 square feet each. And you put streams, rivers, waterfalls,
rocks, I mean it would be so natural that it would be heaven
on earth for these cats.
Jack: What type of climate would it have to have? Wayne: It wouldnt really matter but for it to be
self supporting, it would have to have easy access to a thoroughfare
like an interstate. And the more Southern you are, the more year
around you could be open. Ive already got the drawing.
I guess Ive never showed it to you. But you first show
off the drawing. And the first person you want to show it to
is the person who will do the digging because hes going
to know how to dig all your trenches, and all your swimming pools
and your rivers, and the public is going to come by like gang
busters to help you get it accomplished.
Jack: So it would be like a very large zoo?
Wayne: Something like that except it would be much more
natural than a zoo, and the animals when they feel like it can
get out of sight, and most of the animals in it will be animals
that Ive raised. Cat Paradise is just a dream. I need someone
whos got the land and the money or somebody who needs the
tax loss or a city that wants the traffic. Because can you imagine
just one park with 150 cats of seven species, where you can go
to one place. I mean people want to see the big cats. They go
to the zoo, half the stuff there they have no interest in seeing.
The cats, the monkeys, gorillas, but the cats is the biggest
attraction in the world. If you had black panthers, snow leopards,
spotted leopards, jaguars, white tigers, Bengals and Siberiansall
these different animals in one place? Over at Disney World at
Animal Kingdom they charge $45.00 to see the animals. First off
school tours would be free, and we would only charge $5.00 because
we want everybody to learn and see. There would be four signs
in front of each cage. And there would always be sound going.
They would tell you the names of the cats in that cage, how to
identify the one with that name, where his origin was from, and
how many are left, why they are going extinct. There will be
a total history on every animal there. Verbal and in signage.
Ive photographed entertainers with three of Tiger Waynes
big cats over the past year. Whats nexta pale beauty
with Scandinavian features with a black leopard, a captivating
Oriental or black model with a White Tiger? For the right girl,
getting her pictures done with one of the great cats has to be
the ultimate. And what a calendarthe dream-- twelve fabulous
women, some of the finest lookers in the world, each with a different
cat, but would this be just the tip of the iceberg that would
eventually lead to Tiger Waynes Dreamof Cat Paradise,
a Mecca for not just Americans but the peoples of the world to
look forward to. But for now, just one thing at a timeTiger
Waynes door is open. My Nikon D-1 X is ready. For the woman
who wants the ultimate in photography, whos got what it
takes, and is willing to pay for it, the door is open.